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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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found and is now in the possession of

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the RA the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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network and kgr a the global rain

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I need your help to get to the Year 1985

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good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio for the masses yeah man

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it's Monday November 19 2008 een 326

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days into the new year just 39 days left

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as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and throw

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back and forth up and down T stand west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network in kg ra the

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your host Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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very special guest Robert Kinion is here

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Roberts been producing UFO and

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conspiracy content here in Hollywood for

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over two decades and tonight we will be

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revealing the truth behind disclosure

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TTS a the skinwalker ranch and the

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Pentagon it is all going down tonight

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get ready oh and did I say Happy

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because tonight's our show tomorrow

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night we're gonna do Fator nights okay

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so without Theresa Theresa is off doing

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Thanksgiving with her family and and so

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she's doing that so we're gonna do that

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tomorrow night with you

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Fator night and I do believe I do

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believe that tomorrow night we're gonna

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have a live report from Lima Peru

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because tomorrow kicking off at 9:00

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a.m. is a day-long press conference and

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presentation on the Nazca mummies going

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down with the Peruvian government

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scientist researchers archeologists it's

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all going down tomorrow and so tomorrow

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night as we start to kick off Fator

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night I will have a live report from

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Lima and a breakdown of what is going to

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transpire for during this press

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conference so get ready that is going to

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be a huge night tomorrow night and then

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we'll open up the phone lines it'll be

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fate or night and it's our annual

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Thanksgiving Fator night that we do

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every single year okay so I really look

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forward to that and then Wednesday and

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Thursday we're taking off we will be

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spending two days with our family and

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you should do the same thing if you want

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we might be playing some replays and

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doing some stuff and you can come in and

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check those out if you wish but we're

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not going to be here now all right

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taking Wednesday and Thursday off just

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single year because I have my in-laws

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cousins nieces nephews grandchildren we

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month as it is right and and have these

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great family gatherings but from here on

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celebration and it just doesn't stop

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will be hungover it's the best part of

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being in my family

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thing it is it is just a month and a

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screen like three or four times in a row

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after it started and you know and then

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of it and and backed up an archive but

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blue screen now for two and a half days

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man right alright so there you go okay

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now the oh I don't have the dates up

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here in front of me it's in February go

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lots of rumors swirling around Bitcoin

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Jodie Foster is 56 and she will always

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make that list because of the movie

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contact Jodie Foster 56 years old Larry

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was probably around 2010 and I'm at a

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on the sidewalk and I see this dude

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back up and I look down I look up and

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now he's moving slow taking little

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foreign steps like 10 minutes later I

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look up now he's fine and I look and

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it's Larry King

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it's like my god Larry it took him a

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half an hour to walk a block and then he

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all right 85 years old today makes the

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list because he always did shows unto

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UFOs on this day in history OTD 1942 a

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Soviet counter-attack at Stalingrad

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happened on this day and turned the tide

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in World War two it was the beginning of

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the end for siege atamans Fader fact you

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ready sea otters hold hands when they

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sleep so that they do not drift apart

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and that is your fader fact ah

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sea otters tonight very special guests

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Robert cute is here

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sperm producing you a phone conspiracy

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content here in Hollywood for the better

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part of over two decades and tonight

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we're gonna be revealing the truth

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behind disclosure TTS a skinwalker ranch

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in the Pentagon it's all going down

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tonight on this show tomorrow night

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there's another Fator night but tomorrow

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night Theresa and Aris is gonna be out

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with her family it is Thanksgiving week

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so we're gonna be taking calls all night

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long and we will have a special live

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report from Lima Peru about the press

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conference on the Nazca mummies that is

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going down tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. and

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then after that we open up the phone

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lines all night long and don't forget we

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are taking Wednesday and Thursday off to

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celebrate Thanksgiving with our family

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and now I would like to bring on live

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with all of you mr. Alec Hoffman of

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Hoffman's optics Alec good evening how

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are you good evening Jimmy doing fine

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thank you

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it's good to have you on the show and so

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tonight we are announcing the launch of

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Hoffman's optics and the new website and

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there you go congratulations thank you

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and now what can you tell you've been

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doing this for a very very long time and

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our relationship with you now is been

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going on for a few years but what got

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you started in night vision and UFOs

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well years ago probably like 15 years

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ago actually a dream Utley call our

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company and was asking about

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night-vision goggles and as you remember

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it really was one of the you know

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founders of using tonight vision for you

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for sky watch so that's how it get me

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started

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and I actually quickly become really big

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fan of phenomena and so I was actually

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working with a lot of you for hunters

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servicing and doing the shows like

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contact in the desert or could mine etc

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and I was providing night-vision goggles

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for night sky show and I saw a lot of

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interesting stuff so I quickly become a

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deliverer and and big fan of phenomena

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and so that's how actually started and

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the whole family view for communities so

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to speak they're looking for

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night-vision devices and I was lucky

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enough to to meet a lot of great people

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and so that's how I actually started

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working with your [\h__\h] energy with

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all of the events that you have done out

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there I've spoken about my my sightings

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that I've had for you what was the most

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spectacular thing that you have seen in

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in your sky watches one of them it was

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what two years ago we actually in you

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were there we were just side-by-side and

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it was a contact in the desert

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at Orien you point and it was beautiful

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scenery when three euro were flying in

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all different colors from cobalt blue

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and orange red was glowing out of

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nowhere you remember that and I do and

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it was a you know it was one of the

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greatest moments and another I recall I

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was me in Arizona and I saw really close

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you for hoovering about above our head

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maybe I don't know five miles about when

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the whole time stopped and mmm it was

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one of their you know just greatest

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experiences I ever saw it was a bunch of

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people with me and it was really you

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know the something kenosis to remember

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for you know just all my life so now

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with night vision see this is what I

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find most amazing is that I've seen some

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of the most incredible stuff and then

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everybody wants to get the same gear

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that I use right and and I've been able

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to you know through you hook up so many

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of of the fader knots out there that one

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but it's the emails that I get back from

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them about what they are seeing in their

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own backyards you know this is just

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amazing and and I mean I get daily

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reports from around the country right

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they come in and that is the one thing

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that I find so satisfying because I can

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go and talk about this all day long and

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it's it's amazing but it's when others

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out there get their own night-vision

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goggles and they're able to go out there

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and see it for themselves and they they

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get to turn around and share their

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stories and it's just it's so rewarding

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for me and now you've started Hoffman's

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optics what were the goals that you had

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when starting this company well I

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actually with night vision and thermal

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systems for 17 years almost two decades

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and reason why I started my own company

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because I'm building custom systems for

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your for community so it's it's custom

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military-grade systems with different

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varieties we have you know just em from

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$700 up to $7,000 all kind of difference

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you know just systems we built in

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they're all custom build so by doing

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that you don't just with bringing in

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helping people to see what was going on

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in infrared spectrum invisible for human

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eye but visible through night-vision

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while doing that we kind of open doors

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he notice two different dimensions so to

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speak and people when they're buying my

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night vision email me with remark like

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how do they live without I have to warn

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all my consumers always signals us my

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customers who's buying night vision it

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is addictive nitrogen addictive you see

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nothing in over the sudden you can see

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80,000 plus times more processed naked

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eye it is amazing feeling when you can

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see you know something out of you know

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the in the dark or you see you know just

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in in in in the space infinity so at

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actual bring me joy as well when people

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call that look this is amazing

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I'm loving my night-vision goggle such a

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treasure so that type of you know just

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text messages emails it on society see

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you and it it makes my day

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so you've got three basic categories

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here you've got a ryan roswell and area

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52 let's talk about the orion product

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orion product is actually less expensive

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product it's more affordable so we have

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new digital day and night recording

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camera

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color and it's for $6.99 unique very

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unique unit and absolutely great quality

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for or for your back so you can record

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you can have also it has you know

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discomfort it has Wi-Fi feature it has

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GPS feature you can actually do snapshot

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you can record and also tripod mountable

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very small little tiny unit comes with

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all the cables you can download you

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don't so this video and beauty of this

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unity can actually look through through

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a window through glass so an record and

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for $6.99

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it's excellent gift for Christmas gift

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or how they season

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would you have available right now it's

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always shipping free shipping and up in

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giant anyway and then you have the HP

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seven to W exactly this is night vision

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goggles that based on previous seven

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military grade goggles which comes with

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a generation two plus high performance

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white 4/3 in each tube unit actually

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include half year and this unit will

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give you generation 2 plus high

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performance enhance each particle of

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light up to 60,000 times versus

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generation 3 which is 80,000 last time

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black and white force for liked in white

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force for its pleasant for human eye

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more pleasant than green color so that's

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why black and white TV was made so since

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it's more pleasant for human eye you can

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look along ger through the device

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without in getting sore I so also it's

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unit cell phone adaptable so we have

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also

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Universal cellphone so you can attach it

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into some one of the eyepieces and

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record ministers PDF if you wish now

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each way

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let's have I don't want to run out of

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Ross well if Ross related generation

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three the whole line is a generation

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three night-vision goggles so we have

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available green phosphor white password

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in deep blue phosphor which is then when

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you write which is brand-new and

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exclusive to hoffman optics is the blue

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tubes available on that's exactly right

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and that design we've discussed with it

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years ago and finally it's out it's

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absolutely beautiful and approved by you

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because you noticed and that unit that

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system is unique and now let's quickly

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let's go through the area 52 because now

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to stop a goggles it's Aviation goggles

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basically quite a few notice you know

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that's expensive but its duty technology

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you have two units combined together

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with a single control brightness control

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feature and it's the the aviation-grade

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goggles have the highest grade of night

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vision you can ever buy so that's why

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kind of you know just expensive we have

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less expensive stereoscopic goggles for

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ground troops and with duration for tube

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also available in blue a little bit less

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expensive terracotta goggles very

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comfortable when you actually looking

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into the sky because each I can be

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independently

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adjusted and you can see depth

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perception of you know scenery also

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available

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you know just the night vision

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monoculars and new model call your for

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sky watch this model is unique because

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you don't have front objective lens

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you know trunk like we PVS seven goggles

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it's absolutely flat like a camera for a

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camera and the first 15 units will come

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with blue deep blue cobalt image tube or

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phosphor later on 2019 those units will

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be available with recording feature

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onboard is the carton board that's what

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we're working on but a this is serious

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area 52 exclusively it's all

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custom-built I would like to emphasize

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that custom built for each customer this

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is pretty exciting shots a generation 3

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blue image tube and then in 2019 you'll

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be introducing the recording capability

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directly on this and also you will have

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an amplifier correct that's exactly

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correct we are working right now on

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those actual devices it's a lot of

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challenges how to do that particular

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particular feature and have all onboard

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recording feature because it's through

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night vision it's not digital so somehow

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we need to digitalize signal in order to

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record so finally we came up with

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solution is right now in prototype we

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tested and retested works absolutely

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beautifully thank you so much this is

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very very exciting now everybody can go

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to

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Vin's optics.com the links the banners

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everything is up over at Jimmy turns

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radio calm and they can reach out to you

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directly for any questions right yes

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please call me anytime I will explain to

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you all you need to know and answer all

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these questions you might have and I

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greatly appreciate your time Jimmy

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thanks you for having me yeah Thank You

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Alec yeah what are you doing for

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Thanksgiving

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same as you advice we gathering with

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family you know this we cook we you know

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this we make noise we laugh with dance

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you know this and that's all about the

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holidays is my favorite season same as

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yours I love the holidays absolutely so

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be safe out there

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have a great great safe fun and festive

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Thanksgiving I was gonna say something

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else but yeah you go and do it Alec

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thank you so much my friend and

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congratulations on Hoffman's optics

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thank you thank you see me

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thank you for having me and I wish you

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great holidays as well thank you so much

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Alec and we'll talk to you soon thank

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you so much Hoffman's optics there you

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go the complete product line is right up

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there at Jimmy Church radio comm click

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go over any questions the key here is

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the product line is extensive but the

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new deep blue tubes exclusive for

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Hoffman's optics absolutely incredible

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technology all right now I'm gonna get

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out of here I'll be right back with our

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guest Robert Kinion is here it is gonna

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be an explosive evening get ready for

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all of this and I'll be right back after

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this short break this is fade to black

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on the GameChanger network and kgr a the

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planet i'm your host jimmy church email

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is jimmy at jimmy turns radio calm and

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you can follow me at JT radio on twitter

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I'll be right back stay with us

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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here Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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twitter at JD oh very simple easy

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tonight it is Robert Kinion he is here

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tomorrow night is tater night remember

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we're taking Wednesday and Thursday off

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to celebrate Thanksgiving with our

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family so we're gonna do Fator night

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tomorrow night and we will have a

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special live report from Lima Peru and

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tomorrow is a press conference on the

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Nazca mummies yeah it's pretty

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interesting what's going on down there

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in the next 24 hours and we will have a

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live report tomorrow night but tonight

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it's Robert cavia bobert is best known

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for helping the Fox Network establish

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its alternative TV department with high

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highly rated primetime documentary

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special such as the alien autopsy factor

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fiction UFOs the best evidence ever

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caught on tape snubber one and two

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miracles and visions factor fiction

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prophecies of the millennium world's

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greatest hoaxes secrets finally revealed

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and ghosts caught on tape fact or

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fiction Robert then wrote directed and

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produced the documentary feature I shot

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JFK the shocking truth and and then in

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2014 NBC sci-fi aired Roberts two-hour

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event a documentary special a lien on

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the moon the truth exposed currently he

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is developing a TV series that expands

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on the December 17th 2017 New York Times

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front page investigation which ushered

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in a new UFO era by reporting that the

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Pentagon firmly believes UFOs recently

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filmed by military cameras might be

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alien spacecraft posing a real and

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present global danger there you go

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tonight for the first time I fade to

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black

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Robert Gibby it Robert good evening my

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friend how are you great to be with you

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Jimmy how you doing well you know it's

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Thanksgiving week so there you go we got

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that going for us Robert yeah now before

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we get started we've got to do the

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first-time guests disclaimer okay so the

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next time you're on the show we're not

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gonna do it but tonight we

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well and it's this it's just you and I

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but work Amanda's friends

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see simple you ready that's great

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been doing it for years well I don't

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even know how it got started but now if

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I have a first-time guest on and I don't

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do the disclaimer I got a deal with

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Twitter blowing up for three half hours

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so there you go

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you've been doing this for a very very

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long time and certainly this last year

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has been one of the craziest in ufology

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if you can imagine that it's certainly

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been that way but for you what got you

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started in in this UFO conspiracy thing

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well it's an interesting thing you know

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I was a writer in high school writer in

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college and my you know college paper

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college in New York and I would always

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try to slip in some of these mysteries

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somewhere somehow but more than anything

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I was at that time covering a lot of

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political type stuff you know

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governmental stuff and I was concerned

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at the time in college that you know we

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might have a war with the Russians it

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was before the Berlin Wall came down and

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you know I really focus my energies on

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two things I said to a professor of

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college once when he asked me now that

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your editor in chief of the paper Bob

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one of the most important things for

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people your age and I said well you know

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it could well be we might have a nuclear

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war or maybe aliens might come back to

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avert it and he looked at me like I was

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speaking another language of course but

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I had done a lot of research over the

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years as a young kid and knew a lot

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about the Roswell case know a lot about

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UFOs in general and I'd come across a

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documentary when I was in college a

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called UFOs are real and it's a very

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interesting documentary it's done in the

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19 late 1970 79 I believe and it was

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done in a way where we just straight up

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you know the evidence that was presented

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at that time at that time and I figured

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you know what maybe there's a way I can

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make a living doing that one day but you

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know reality took shape as I left

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college and I realized you know what

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there aren't too many

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but I can do something like that for a

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living so I kind of just went into the

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normal ways of making money in New York

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I became an advertising graphics expert

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and worked in the graphics and in

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advertising for a while and then I

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looked into this case that I had looked

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at at college in that documentary and it

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was the Billy Meyer case and I sent some

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photographs or some evidence of the

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Billy Meyer case to a top expert and he

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was very intrigued so then I took the

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next step and I contacted somebody I

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felt was a really top expert and I felt

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if he was working with NASA this guy and

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he felt these were very serious images

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then I should take it seriously so one

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thing led to another one I gave up gave

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up the advertising business decided to

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make a trip around the country and talk

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to a lot of the top experts and decided

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you know what UFOs and phenomena I put

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those categories together basically UFOs

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and phenomena would be an interesting

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area to kind of call as my beat if I was

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going to take over let's say and go into

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journalism and you know go that route

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when I say took it over I didn't see

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anybody doing that really seriously and

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another thing had happened I show called

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unsolved mysteries on NBC I got time had

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become very popular and also a Current

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Affair had come on the air with Rupert

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Murdoch's group and I felt boy there's

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there's definitely an indication this

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stuff could become a career so I called

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it again and I realized you know what

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maybe I need to go back to my writing

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chops and get those back in motion so I

771
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was playing baseball when f when evening

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actually a softball I should say with

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the group that did Omni magazine

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magazine was a great science magazine in

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New York back in the late eighties early

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nineties and before that as well and I

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was playing second base and the

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shortstop was worked for that group and

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I turned to this guy Jeff and I went

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Jeff let me talk to you after the game

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later and I told him I was looking into

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doing a story about the face on Mars

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00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:29,870
I thought the Mars mystery was another

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00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:31,940
great mystery and again photographically

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supported by NASA imagery the Viking

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images that the Viking orbiter

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shot look like there was a face maybe on

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the planet Mars looking up some kind of

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structure and they were also pyramids

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nearby I thought so I told Jeff about

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00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:47,520
this and he goes you know what you

792
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should pitch that to Omni and at this

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point Jimmy I had not written for a very

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long time I've been seven years since

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college I guess and I was figuring you

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00:41:00,320 --> 00:40:58,170
know what I'm not quite sure like and I

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can I can you know get a an article

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written right off the you know out of

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the bat or off the bat so literally I

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went and wrote a query letter just a

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letter but I had contacted one of the

802
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NASA experts that had looked into the

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00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:13,500
billy meier photographs and his name was

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00:41:18,590 --> 00:41:15,660
dr. Michael Malin and he was now in

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00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:18,600
charge of building a new craft and a new

806
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,150
a new camera should I say to reimage the

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00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:23,940
face on Mars and Michael Malin very

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00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:26,609
interesting guy he had been really

809
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:28,020
involved in a lot of interesting missed

810
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,609
you know research and whatnot

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he was a geologist and an expert with

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cameras and so I reached out and said

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this is a very good article I felt Omni

814
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:39,480
agreed that we should do it and it

815
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:41,190
became the cover article for Omni

816
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:43,950
magazine in the early 90s and that

817
00:41:49,849 --> 00:41:47,250
article actually came out the same exact

818
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:49,859
edition it was on the cover that a very

819
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,690
another important article came out that

820
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,280
we'll talk about tonight involving one

821
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:56,040
of these she I am Ron Pandolfi so I

822
00:41:59,540 --> 00:41:57,780
found it as an interesting cross point

823
00:42:00,980 --> 00:41:59,550
at my article with Omni magazine that

824
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,990
got me back into writing about this

825
00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:03,060
whole thing this idea about phenomena

826
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:05,580
and aliens and whatnot also had an

827
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,130
article in the same Edition somewhat

828
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:10,800
referencing Robin Pandolfi at the CIA so

829
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,420
that became a very interesting cross

830
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:13,980
point for our talk tonight but anyway

831
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:16,500
after that I became a writer and

832
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,180
producer for a show called now it can be

833
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:20,400
told with Geraldo Rivera and they had

834
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:22,410
heard about my work about the Mars work

835
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:24,450
and they felt I should come in and give

836
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:26,430
them stories so we did a story about

837
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,369
celebrities who had seen UFOs and I got

838
00:42:33,590 --> 00:42:31,380
Ronald Reagan to confirm that he had

839
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,600
seen a UFO he was governor of California

840
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,880
he wasn't on camera but he confirmed in

841
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:37,560
a letter to me that he had seen the UFO

842
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:39,510
and that there was no doubt that if we

843
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:41,550
interviewed his pilot bill painter bill

844
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:43,170
would give a great story or what what

845
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:45,390
happened which he did and we had other

846
00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:46,890
people in that same edition or that

847
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:49,230
segment John Lennon's girlfriend may

848
00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:50,670
Payne confirmed that John

849
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:53,190
in an amazing UFO in New York and even

850
00:42:58,820 --> 00:42:56,700
Muhammad Ali confer the trainer for

851
00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:58,830
Muhammad Ali and Angelo Dundee he

852
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:00,630
confirmed that Muhammad Ali had seen

853
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,810
UFOs in Central Park while he was with

854
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:05,280
reporters years ago so we did these

855
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:07,140
stories a couple another one for on area

856
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:09,630
51 I did for her although and unsolved

857
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:12,390
mysteries on NBC the show that I wanted

858
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:14,970
to work for heard about me and they

859
00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:17,250
asked me to come to California I brought

860
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,430
with me a tape and that tape became

861
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:22,980
known as the Guardian UFO landing or

862
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:27,390
Guardian UFO tape where that Jimmy yeah

863
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:29,610
the Canadian Guardian tape yeah well

864
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:31,770
you're talking to the guy who broke it

865
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:33,270
now here's how I broke that do you know

866
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,540
how many times I watched that video do

867
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:38,220
you have any idea

868
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:40,230
well me and everybody else but I watched

869
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:44,760
it over and over and over again when it

870
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:47,010
broke okay continue well Jimmy it's a

871
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:48,330
great story because it'll come back to

872
00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:50,040
our conversation tonight this is what

873
00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:52,350
the CIA or this one guy affiliated with

874
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:54,840
the CIA has been saying to me that he

875
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:57,450
has other ideas about that case but

876
00:44:01,700 --> 00:43:59,130
we'll get into that tonight anyway the

877
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:01,710
Canadian UFO story as you call it and as

878
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:03,510
as the unsolved mysteries people called

879
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:07,380
it as well that's a story about a guy

880
00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:08,730
named Guardian and here's how it went

881
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:12,120
down I had had Bob excellor a very good

882
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:14,580
UFO researcher and former NASA NASA

883
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:18,240
mission specialist excuse me he had been

884
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:20,610
in the area 51 story that we did on

885
00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:23,640
Geraldo's now can be told and so I'm

886
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:25,350
sitting in my office one day up in New

887
00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:28,470
York and I get this package brought to

888
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,550
me and it's from Bob Eckler and I opened

889
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:34,920
up the package and it's got this VHS

890
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:38,310
tape and it has a fingerprint looking

891
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:39,660
like just like you'd put a fingerprint

892
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:41,910
like if you were being arrested and the

893
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:44,700
fingerprint was on the tape on the label

894
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,970
and the word guardian very clearly you

895
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,800
know printed out typewritten

896
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,020
and I said okay let me see what this is

897
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:55,140
and I pop it into my my player

898
00:44:59,570 --> 00:44:56,910
and I couldn't believe what I'm seeing

899
00:45:01,580 --> 00:44:59,580
it looks like a flashing blinking UFO

900
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:01,590
with color and a luminosity and things

901
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:03,540
that I could never associate with

902
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:04,330
anything I've ever seen

903
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:06,550
four and then one of the key moments in

904
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:07,930
this video they're like four sequences

905
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:10,360
is when the person whoever the guardian

906
00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:13,450
is is coming along up on a rise and as

907
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:15,820
he comes up on this rise you can see the

908
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:17,830
entire layout of this craft

909
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:19,810
it looks like it's backlit by the

910
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:21,460
lighting of whatever's creating this

911
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:24,250
incredible luminosity and I figured oh

912
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:26,080
my god and I remember the taped

913
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:28,030
librarian for our show was walking by my

914
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:30,220
desk and she came by and she went oh my

915
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:32,500
god Bob is that a UFO is that a flying

916
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:34,660
saucer and right away I knew I had

917
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:35,890
something there if someone was just

918
00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:38,110
walking by really quickly and just it

919
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:39,940
caught their eye right away right Jimmy

920
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:41,230
the segment that we did in unsolved

921
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:43,000
mysteries it was my first big one there

922
00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:46,090
it was a twenty five share in Holmes

923
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:49,630
that means one out of four TVs was on

924
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:53,230
this so it was also a moment where you

925
00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:55,150
know Robert Stack the famous you know

926
00:46:00,030 --> 00:45:57,550
Coast had never held up a tape saying

927
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:00,040
this could be the first proof of you

928
00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:02,410
know UFO so it was really a fascinating

929
00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:04,180
story and I and to this day there are a

930
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:06,340
lot of mysteries about that but that

931
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:08,260
brought me to unsolved mysteries and an

932
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:09,850
unsolved mystery they did another big

933
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:12,790
story about Mexico UFOs and I really am

934
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:15,190
you know for for better or worse I

935
00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:17,290
really like Hyman wasan but I gotta tell

936
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,240
you I took him from Mexico and put him

937
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:22,000
on American television he hadn't been

938
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:23,500
seen by anybody really it to my

939
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:24,100
knowledge

940
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:25,990
and I put him on unsolved mysteries

941
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:27,690
talking about these Mexico UFOs

942
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:30,490
incredible 1919 one event and if no one

943
00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:31,810
knows about that they should know that

944
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:34,600
in 1991 on July 11th during a solar

945
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,320
eclipse

946
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,560
apparently saucers came and appeared

947
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:40,240
over four major parts of Mexico

948
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:43,030
simultaneously they were filmed by many

949
00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:45,100
videographers and it was really one of

950
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:47,320
the most amazing cases of UFOs or mass

951
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:50,380
UFO sightings ever and so Jaime was on

952
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:53,050
that show and I did a lot of major you

953
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,360
know crime segments too for unsolved

954
00:47:00,540 --> 00:46:57,280
mysteries mysteries but my main core

955
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:00,550
always was unexplained phenomena and I

956
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:02,170
remember the producers were pretty upset

957
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:04,300
and unsolved mysteries because I come

958
00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:06,100
along out of nowhere and then allow

959
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:08,230
these highly rated phenomena you know

960
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:10,600
but you know shows and I did one on

961
00:47:16,170 --> 00:47:12,700
ghosts I did went on actually one of my

962
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:16,180
most memorable and for me important ones

963
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:18,130
was a segment about the

964
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:21,430
a miracle in 1917 in Portugal where a

965
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:23,140
lot of people believe it may well be a

966
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:25,390
miracle worthy of biblical type

967
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:28,450
significance the pope john paul ii

968
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:29,740
believed it was worthy of belief of

969
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:30,670
being a miracle

970
00:47:35,609 --> 00:47:33,220
it's where allegedly 70,000 people had

971
00:47:37,799 --> 00:47:35,619
witnessed the sun's spinning in such a

972
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:37,809
way or something looking like the sun

973
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,849
and it came down to the earth

974
00:47:45,809 --> 00:47:42,400
dried an area that was deluge with rain

975
00:47:47,579 --> 00:47:45,819
for days dried up really quickly there

976
00:47:49,859 --> 00:47:47,589
was a reporter there from a major

977
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:49,869
newspaper in portugal and he covered it

978
00:47:54,749 --> 00:47:52,450
and he said it wasn't a major event he

979
00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:54,759
witnessed it it's before video cameras

980
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,470
you know and all that but so that was

981
00:48:00,509 --> 00:47:58,240
another big story that we did that falls

982
00:48:01,890 --> 00:48:00,519
under this kind of phenomena and i and

983
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:01,900
i'm very proud of that one as well

984
00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:03,430
because it really gave people the idea

985
00:48:09,509 --> 00:48:07,000
that you know ufos and miracles and

986
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:09,519
things tied to religion may all be

987
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:11,170
connected and so that was something that

988
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:13,630
i was very proud of but then again fox

989
00:48:18,569 --> 00:48:16,210
found me they had heard about my work

990
00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:18,579
and i had a meeting with them and they

991
00:48:22,289 --> 00:48:19,900
were doing a brand new series called

992
00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:22,299
encounters and they said could i come on

993
00:48:25,799 --> 00:48:24,369
and help that show and i did a lot of

994
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:25,809
great segments for them and became the

995
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:27,849
coordinating producer and when that show

996
00:48:33,269 --> 00:48:30,940
ended i had just heard about something

997
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:33,279
called the alien autopsy mm-hmm and what

998
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,049
happened was someone at Omni magazine

999
00:48:38,509 --> 00:48:37,119
who I used to write for they called me

1000
00:48:41,759 --> 00:48:38,519
up and said did you hear about this

1001
00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:41,769
Steven Spielberg movie coming out about

1002
00:48:48,299 --> 00:48:45,940
an alien autopsy from Roswell and I said

1003
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:48,309
really Steven Spielberg Amblin

1004
00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:50,470
entertainment is doing that they said

1005
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:52,150
well that's what we're hearing I said

1006
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:52,450
well I

1007
00:48:56,339 --> 00:48:54,970
I'll check into it for you so I checked

1008
00:48:58,049 --> 00:48:56,349
in with Amblin and they said no there

1009
00:48:59,970 --> 00:48:58,059
was nothing to it and then of course

1010
00:49:03,509 --> 00:48:59,980
they told Omni magazine the same thing

1011
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:03,519
and Omni published that and then I got a

1012
00:49:07,289 --> 00:49:05,950
phone call still sitting in encounter is

1013
00:49:10,259 --> 00:49:07,299
getting ready to leave the show is being

1014
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:10,269
cancelled pretty much and the call came

1015
00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:12,670
in from a guy from England and he said I

1016
00:49:18,749 --> 00:49:15,700
was watching the TV and I heard and

1017
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:18,759
watched a guy named reg Presley from a

1018
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:20,470
band called the trogs an old British

1019
00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:22,569
band and he was sitting on this TV

1020
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:25,240
Morning Show saying he had seen in alien

1021
00:49:29,579 --> 00:49:28,089
autopsy video and I went what how could

1022
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:29,589
that be a coincidence there must be a

1023
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:32,020
tie-in to this alleged Stevens

1024
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:34,660
Spielberg movie and so I got in contact

1025
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:36,970
eventually with this race and Tilly who

1026
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:39,430
is as British entrepreneur who had

1027
00:49:44,490 --> 00:49:41,890
claimed he had received this alien

1028
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,500
autopsy reel from a former military

1029
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:46,960
cameraman he had been looking for old

1030
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:49,270
footage of Elvis Presley and sure enough

1031
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:51,460
a cameraman popped up and said I have

1032
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:52,900
something even more amazing to show you

1033
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:55,090
than that and according to the story

1034
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:57,130
Santilli went to this guy's house in

1035
00:50:01,740 --> 00:49:59,410
Florida and he made a deal to buy this

1036
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:01,750
footage and he came and he basically

1037
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:03,370
came back to England and tried to figure

1038
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:05,350
a way out to you know process it and

1039
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:07,810
bring it to air and whatever finally I

1040
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:10,630
was there in England and I was watching

1041
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:12,310
this with about 200 other people in a

1042
00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:14,890
big auditorium and I met with chantilly

1043
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:16,600
prior to this big event so he pretty

1044
00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:18,310
much has given me or gave me the idea

1045
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,360
that I would get the rights for this

1046
00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:22,000
material and so we took it to Fox

1047
00:50:25,410 --> 00:50:23,380
I took it to Fox where I had been doing

1048
00:50:26,310 --> 00:50:25,420
my work and they agreed it would be a

1049
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:26,320
great show

1050
00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:28,930
whether or not it was real or not it was

1051
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:31,300
a video that needed to be or a film it

1052
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:33,550
needed to be looked into we never said

1053
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:35,370
it was real no matter what anybody says

1054
00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:38,350
alien autopsy factor fiction just like

1055
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:40,870
it says fact or fiction question mark we

1056
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:43,240
questioned it the entire first time we

1057
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:46,090
aired the show we never ever said it was

1058
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:48,850
a real film we didn't know that for sure

1059
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:50,230
we said you'll have to decide for

1060
00:50:54,140 --> 00:50:52,690
yourself we've called in the experts we

1061
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:54,150
treated it like it was some type of

1062
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:56,140
document like you bring to a courtroom

1063
00:51:02,610 --> 00:50:59,410
or two experts to look into we did our

1064
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:02,620
job three years three years later when I

1065
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:04,270
was doing other shows for Fox they did a

1066
00:51:08,850 --> 00:51:06,670
show called miracles and visions factor

1067
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:08,860
fiction like you said is that a show

1068
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:11,260
about miracles caught on tape yes it's a

1069
00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:13,030
show showing all kinds of different

1070
00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:14,860
things that have been caught on tape the

1071
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:17,620
Sun blinking and wildly pulsating many

1072
00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:19,630
other things like bleeding icons and

1073
00:51:26,130 --> 00:51:22,360
whatnot and we felt again it fell and

1074
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:26,140
fell into this category of phenomena it

1075
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:28,660
was not necessarily tied to UFOs but the

1076
00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:30,610
x-files was popular then too and so I

1077
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:32,830
was really doing specials that was doing

1078
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:35,650
the real x-files Jimmy not you know made

1079
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,930
up you know by at by by you know writers

1080
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these were the real stories of the day

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so all these stories led to another big

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show for me I did a show called

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offices of the millennium where we

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looked into the idea that maybe the end

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of the world was coming the eschatology

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kind of thing and conspiracy is tying

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into that and one of our experts believe

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it or not predicted more or less 9/11 we

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had an expert named Neil Livingstone and

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he was a terrorism expert who ironically

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his wife was in the Pentagon when the

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9/11 event eventually happened but this

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expert said based on a lot of things he

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was looking at the World Trade Center

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was still a major major target and we

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had another expert who was interested in

1097
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Nostradamus an expert and he said he

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predicted that there would be some kind

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of event by the World Trade Center just

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around you know the year 2000 and it

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would be a major event happening from

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high up above in the building and then

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made or buildings and then some kind of

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terrible Cataclysm would happen to the

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lower Manhattan area so I got a call

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00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:36,280
from someone in the media they asked me

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if we predicted that and I said of

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course not we didn't predict that but

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that was just part of what goes on so

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those are the kind of things that

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00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:43,960
brought me into this whole thing Jimmy

1112
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and for me when Fox decided that we

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00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:48,010
weren't gonna do these shows anymore I

1114
00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:50,380
was really taken aback and that was

1115
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:52,660
sometime after 9/11 so I looked around

1116
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:54,310
and found out who else was doing shows

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00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:56,410
like this took me a while to get the

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00:53:00,540 --> 00:52:58,090
sci-fi but he did some work there as

1119
00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:00,550
well the show factor a show factor fake

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that was on for two years a series I'd

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00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:04,390
helped really develop that show for the

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00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:06,610
network and I'm not gonna say it was

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00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:07,960
necessarily my show but it was

1124
00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:09,400
definitely conceived by me initially

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with the X with the executives up there

1126
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:13,450
and then it eventually led to the show

1127
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:15,490
aliens on the moon the truth exposed

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which to this day I have to tell you

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00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:20,890
showed evidence that we believed there

1130
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:23,110
were structures on the moon before the

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00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:25,210
astronauts ever landed there and the

1132
00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:27,160
interview with Buzz Aldrin that I gave I

1133
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:29,620
kept asking but the interview that I did

1134
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:32,110
I mean I kept asking buzz to look at the

1135
00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:34,360
photos and Buzz would not look at the

1136
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,220
photos suppose was just I will not look

1137
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:38,800
I will not look but he did say he

1138
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:41,710
believed there was evidence of possibly

1139
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:45,220
alien artifacts on the moon around Mars

1140
00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:47,740
called Phobos he wouldn't talk about the

1141
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:50,080
moon right here but he said you know he

1142
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:51,610
believed and some experts believed

1143
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,400
there's a monolith sticking out of this

1144
00:53:59,220 --> 00:53:57,040
Martian moon called Phobos and this is

1145
00:53:59,460 --> 00:53:59,230
an area that we should be going back to

1146
00:54:02,130 --> 00:53:59,470
or

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00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:02,140
goto initially and we should use Phobos

1148
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,020
for a landing platform to goal and men

1149
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:07,119
on the moon the Mars surface so I was

1150
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:08,950
very intrigued by that but Buzz also

1151
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:10,900
gave me indications that we should be

1152
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:12,700
looking at other kinds of space travel

1153
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:15,640
besides what we have right now and that

1154
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:18,670
made me think hmmm maybe anti-gravity

1155
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:20,380
propulsion was something more than just

1156
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:22,840
an idea and we had interviewed for one

1157
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:24,490
of my shows it's on Netflix tonight you

1158
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:26,230
can see it UFO is the best evidence ever

1159
00:54:30,839 --> 00:54:28,210
caught on tape the first one and there's

1160
00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:30,849
Admiral Bobbi Ray Inman former director

1161
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:33,220
of the National Security Agency deputy

1162
00:54:38,430 --> 00:54:36,190
director of the CIA and he's telling my

1163
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:38,440
staff and me pretty much and also of

1164
00:54:42,359 --> 00:54:40,570
course the viewers that he found the UFO

1165
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:42,369
footage we were showing over Mexico and

1166
00:54:47,580 --> 00:54:45,430
area 51 and Gulf Breeze Florida very

1167
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:47,590
very compelling he didn't know what they

1168
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:49,750
were these UFOs but he thought they were

1169
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,720
intriguing and he also said he indicated

1170
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:54,160
in many ways that anti-gravity

1171
00:54:59,010 --> 00:54:56,920
propulsion seemed to me something to

1172
00:55:01,140 --> 00:54:59,020
look into and he said it off-camera he

1173
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,150
said it also in other places so that

1174
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,280
gave me an idea for years Jimmy to look

1175
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,440
into anti-gravity propulsion and we'll

1176
00:55:08,310 --> 00:55:06,400
get into that too

1177
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,320
but anyway that leads us to the event

1178
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:10,720
you described what happened in December

1179
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:11,770
of 2017

1180
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:13,990
the New York Times coming out with an

1181
00:55:17,849 --> 00:55:16,060
article I mean I was born and raised on

1182
00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:17,859
New York Times you know it's funny

1183
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:19,960
Geraldo were very used to say to me the

1184
00:55:24,089 --> 00:55:22,330
gray pages Bob of the New York Times the

1185
00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:24,099
grape I said it to everybody the gray

1186
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:27,190
pages meaning they were boring but they

1187
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:29,650
might be good straight journalism but

1188
00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:31,150
they weren't really sensational in any

1189
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:33,460
way you know Geraldo

1190
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:35,380
believed the sensation he believes in

1191
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,570
creating sensation and and I do to some

1192
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:39,599
degree too but the question really is

1193
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:42,220
why would the New York Times write an

1194
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:43,930
article like they did in December of

1195
00:55:50,099 --> 00:55:47,470
2017 if they didn't believe there was

1196
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,109
evidence that our government has

1197
00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:52,000
concluded that there were these

1198
00:55:57,540 --> 00:55:55,300
tick-tack UFOs over San Diego or close

1199
00:55:59,760 --> 00:55:57,550
to San Diego and they were around

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00:56:02,880 --> 00:55:59,770
nuclear aircraft carrier maneuvers in

1201
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:02,890
2004 and that was the main thread of the

1202
00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:06,430
story in The New York Times develop now

1203
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,900
that we're pitching to a few of the

1204
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,000
network's now is going to get into is

1205
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:12,900
very much is

1206
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:16,809
possible robbery these tick craft Robert

1207
00:56:20,339 --> 00:56:18,430
people looking to learn from the series

1208
00:56:22,289 --> 00:56:20,349
that I'm doing and I can't say what to

1209
00:56:24,269 --> 00:56:22,299
the Stars Academy is claiming and I

1210
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:24,279
can't say what is happening elsewhere

1211
00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:25,900
but I can tell you for sure

1212
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:30,069
I heard directly on the phone from a

1213
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:31,750
witness that was right above David

1214
00:56:37,799 --> 00:56:33,849
flavor for people who don't know David

1215
00:56:40,769 --> 00:56:37,809
flavor was the pilot okay Robert a

1216
00:56:43,470 --> 00:56:40,779
footlong Robert twenty five foot wide

1217
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:43,480
Robert axles if you look like a tic-tac

1218
00:56:48,539 --> 00:56:46,660
candy if you will smooth no basic

1219
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:48,549
appendages of any kind except for maybe

1220
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:50,890
two little minor little antennae

1221
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:52,569
sticking out of the bottom which most

1222
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:53,740
people don't know but we'll get into

1223
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,740
that and this UFO that he witnessed flew

1224
00:57:02,009 --> 00:56:59,440
away at such by the way the movement of

1225
00:57:03,749 --> 00:57:02,019
it was so strangely erratic and so not

1226
00:57:05,789 --> 00:57:03,759
like anything we have on this earth that

1227
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:05,799
were aware of dave favor of course

1228
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:07,420
please it was not probably nothing from

1229
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:10,150
here but the witness above him is a

1230
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:12,130
female pilot I can't mention her name

1231
00:57:16,769 --> 00:57:13,900
tonight but we'll get into it more I'm

1232
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:16,779
sure she wants a degree of anonymity for

1233
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:18,730
now because she teaches at a very

1234
00:57:24,059 --> 00:57:20,890
prestigious institution of our

1235
00:57:26,249 --> 00:57:24,069
government she's a Top Gun pilot she was

1236
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:26,259
one thousand feet above favor staring

1237
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:28,750
down at favor while this Tic Tac craft

1238
00:57:33,329 --> 00:57:30,730
was zipping around away from his plane

1239
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:33,339
doing a barrel roll right at him and

1240
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,470
then literally flies off into the wild

1241
00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:37,359
blue yonder at a speed that she's never

1242
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:39,069
even thought of it before in her life

1243
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:42,250
okay I need to take a break I needed to

1244
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:43,930
take a break right here need to take a

1245
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:47,049
quick Network break let's do that our

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00:57:52,259 --> 00:57:49,210
guest tonight Robert Kinion he is here

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00:57:54,990 --> 00:57:52,269
producer here in Los Angeles for over a

1248
00:57:58,349 --> 00:57:55,000
couple of decades and what we're gonna

1249
00:58:01,529 --> 00:57:58,359
discuss tonight is disclosure TTS a

1250
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:01,539
skinwalker ranch and the Pentagon it's

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00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,670
all going down tonight here on fade to

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black I'm yours to be Church North

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Robert after this short break stay with

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us

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this is fade to black with Jimmy church

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imagine how it will feel when your

1343
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,460
family and friends are asking you what

1344
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:43,920
you did to look so good your secret will

1345
01:02:47,310 --> 01:02:45,850
be nature's youth RSF it

1346
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:47,320
time to start looking better and feeling

1347
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:49,990
better learn more in order your nature's

1348
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:52,570
use RSF at nature's youth calm that's

1349
01:02:58,740 --> 01:02:55,240
nature's youth calm that's nature's

1350
01:03:00,690 --> 01:02:58,750
youth calm hello this is Serena right

1351
01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:00,700
kayla from conscious life Expo and

1352
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,980
you're listening to fade to black with

1353
01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:05,200
Jimmy Church who holds the lucky pony

1354
01:03:12,450 --> 01:03:07,480
record for the best astrological chart

1355
01:03:14,070 --> 01:03:12,460
since 1963 true story this is Micah

1356
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:14,080
Hank's of the gray lien report and

1357
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:15,940
you're listening to Jimmy church on fade

1358
01:03:19,770 --> 01:03:17,710
to black across the globe on the

1359
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:19,780
GameChanger radio network and the one

1360
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:22,760
and only kgr a radio the planet

1361
01:03:45,819 --> 01:03:44,530
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

1362
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:45,829
real shimmy Church like yes tonight

1363
01:03:49,420 --> 01:03:46,730
Robert

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01:03:51,220 --> 01:03:49,430
Kibby it's tomorrow night is Fator night

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01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:51,230
open lines all night long we got a live

1366
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:54,230
report coming in from Lima Peru on the

1367
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:56,089
Nazca mummies and then it'll be open

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01:04:01,359 --> 01:03:58,730
lines all night long I want to remind

1369
01:04:03,790 --> 01:04:01,369
all of you that we are taking the rest

1370
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:03,800
of the week off Wednesday and Thursday

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01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:06,740
we're gonna spend Thanksgiving with our

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01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:09,670
family now back to Robert okay Robert

1373
01:04:18,099 --> 01:04:14,210
December 17 2017 the day of disclosure

1374
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,109
right New York Times all the major media

1375
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:20,960
outlets picked up on the story front

1376
01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:23,690
page news everybody took off and ran

1377
01:04:27,970 --> 01:04:26,180
with it with your experience you know

1378
01:04:31,030 --> 01:04:27,980
doing this for so long have you ever

1379
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:31,040
seen that the mainstream media pick up

1380
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:32,480
on a story so quickly

1381
01:04:36,550 --> 01:04:34,940
no in fact that was one of the most

1382
01:04:39,870 --> 01:04:36,560
intriguing things about it Jimmy that

1383
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:39,880
that it it picked up immediately steam

1384
01:04:46,930 --> 01:04:44,390
CNN Fox News of a plethora of other

1385
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:46,940
outlets and both print and you know

1386
01:04:51,550 --> 01:04:49,220
conventional media and so that was a

1387
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,560
good thing but I think when you dig into

1388
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:54,640
the New York Times article some of my

1389
01:05:02,849 --> 01:04:58,720
fandom or my putting them on a pedestal

1390
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:02,859
journalistically well took a step down

1391
01:05:10,030 --> 01:05:06,770
there are some gaping gaping problems in

1392
01:05:14,530 --> 01:05:10,040
the article in terms of why not follow

1393
01:05:16,359 --> 01:05:14,540
up on certain key issues such as two

1394
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:16,369
million dollars whether it's a drop in

1395
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:18,170
the bucket according to some or whether

1396
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:19,550
it's a lot of money according to some

1397
01:05:23,470 --> 01:05:21,290
twenty two million dollars is still

1398
01:05:25,569 --> 01:05:23,480
twenty two million dollars and if twenty

1399
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:25,579
two million dollars went to Bob Bigelow

1400
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:28,250
as it was clearly indicated in the

1401
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:30,890
article then there a lack of knowing

1402
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:34,420
about skinwalker ranch is a major major

1403
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:37,700
blight in their journalism you know

1404
01:05:43,329 --> 01:05:41,420
acumen if you will and then not to look

1405
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:43,339
into the issue that maybe that 22

1406
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:45,650
million dollars wasn't going to look

1407
01:05:50,170 --> 01:05:48,500
into UFO videos all right you ApS for

1408
01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:50,180
some people but you know I think Jimmy

1409
01:05:53,230 --> 01:05:51,950
Kimmel said it best till you know

1410
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,240
Hillary Clinton on when he had when he

1411
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:55,760
had her on I like UFOs better you know

1412
01:06:00,430 --> 01:05:57,170
I mean we're now we're gonna change the

1413
01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:00,440
name of it for some I guess reason that

1414
01:06:04,930 --> 01:06:02,750
may fall into the aerospace or the

1415
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:04,940
military parlance of some some for some

1416
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:06,680
reason but let's just call them what

1417
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:09,050
they are UFOs being chased by our own

1418
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:11,900
military jets that are doing things that

1419
01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:15,020
we do not believe any country any known

1420
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:17,420
country on the planet Earth has or any

1421
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:20,150
private institution has as far as we

1422
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:22,250
know and so that's a good part of the

1423
01:06:26,590 --> 01:06:24,260
story but then when you say 22 million

1424
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:26,600
dollars was in more or less earmark

1425
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:28,730
toward Bob Bigelow and you don't mention

1426
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:30,770
skinwalker ranch really at all of any

1427
01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:33,530
real serious way then you're not doing

1428
01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:34,190
your job

1429
01:06:38,110 --> 01:06:35,720
and so we realized right away at my

1430
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,120
company that this was an area that we

1431
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:40,160
knew how to coal and we started looking

1432
01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:41,960
into things and I spoke to help put off

1433
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:45,620
on three or four occasions and actually

1434
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:47,720
I cut that three occasions and I gotta

1435
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:49,910
tell you that Hal who I knew back years

1436
01:06:55,810 --> 01:06:51,350
ago and I did a story with a Rolla

1437
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:55,820
Rivera on on remote viewing Jimmy how is

1438
01:07:00,670 --> 01:06:57,530
an interesting scientist no doubt about

1439
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:00,680
it but his connections to members of the

1440
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:03,230
CIA his connections to certain people

1441
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:05,870
you must look into this deeply and again

1442
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:07,970
the New York Times made it sound like

1443
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:10,550
how put off was this like scientist with

1444
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:12,710
very very fascinating comments like

1445
01:07:17,530 --> 01:07:15,290
comparing you know what you know looking

1446
01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:17,540
into whether or not I've got oh it was I

1447
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:19,460
thought it was da Vinci or Michelangelo

1448
01:07:23,350 --> 01:07:21,290
I think it was DaVinci what would happen

1449
01:07:25,660 --> 01:07:23,360
if he found something like a you know a

1450
01:07:28,090 --> 01:07:25,670
device that was had plastic on it and it

1451
01:07:29,950 --> 01:07:28,100
was a transmitter of some kind how would

1452
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:29,960
he look into it it was a really bizarre

1453
01:07:34,780 --> 01:07:32,450
comment from a scientist there really

1454
01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:34,790
doesn't know much about UFO videos or

1455
01:07:39,130 --> 01:07:36,710
things like that and again the article

1456
01:07:40,780 --> 01:07:39,140
maybe was good for some reasons it got

1457
01:07:43,690 --> 01:07:40,790
the word out there that UFOs could be

1458
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:43,700
real but it also left these gaping holes

1459
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:45,650
that need to be closed and that's what

1460
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:47,150
we're going to do and there are some

1461
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:49,130
expansion areas as well

1462
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:51,710
such as if 22 million dollars was given

1463
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:55,310
to the group called a tip or the other

1464
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:57,650
former group to do this type stuff on

1465
01:08:01,840 --> 01:07:59,000
the Bigelow's direction

1466
01:08:03,610 --> 01:08:01,850
what other monies are out there are

1467
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:03,620
there are black budget programs around

1468
01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:06,050
or unaware of why didn't they look into

1469
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:08,030
that they even put the headline they

1470
01:08:11,380 --> 01:08:09,530
implied in the headline

1471
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:11,390
that there would be black budget

1472
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:13,250
research somewhere in the article but

1473
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:15,230
there wasn't any and I'm gonna be honest

1474
01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:17,420
with everyone tonight the black budget

1475
01:08:22,059 --> 01:08:19,910
program that's where this is all going

1476
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:22,069
this is where this is you know leading

1477
01:08:28,030 --> 01:08:25,310
to and so private industry working with

1478
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:28,040
black budget money that's been the story

1479
01:08:32,770 --> 01:08:30,049
I believe with UFOs and this whole idea

1480
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:32,780
for many many years so again it was a

1481
01:08:37,809 --> 01:08:35,210
great front-page article on Sunday that

1482
01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:37,819
that Sunday but it didn't get followed

1483
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:39,560
up on it all by the New York Times and

1484
01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:41,930
one has to wonder what's going on so

1485
01:08:45,130 --> 01:08:43,670
we're doing that work now Jimmy and

1486
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:45,140
that's why I mentioned this other pilot

1487
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:47,930
there are people that say David flavor

1488
01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:51,290
is not real that David flavor didn't

1489
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:53,420
really see this tick tack and that

1490
01:08:57,849 --> 01:08:56,210
person is saying it most is that you

1491
01:09:01,120 --> 01:08:57,859
know formerly at the CIA as far as I can

1492
01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:01,130
tell and so why would people be trying

1493
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:03,350
to state from the official level of the

1494
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:05,710
intelligence community that the entire

1495
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:09,890
tic-tac event in 2004 by the you know

1496
01:09:14,730 --> 01:09:11,630
Nimitz carrier aircraft carrier group

1497
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:14,740
why is that not true according to this

1498
01:09:20,349 --> 01:09:17,750
gif that I've been talking to he says

1499
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,359
it's not true well how is it not true

1500
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:22,880
when we have an X a pilot over Dave

1501
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:24,049
raver as I was saying before the

1502
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:26,150
commercial break staring at the event

1503
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:28,670
watching it occur freaked her out

1504
01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:31,190
so what's going on here well as you know

1505
01:09:35,020 --> 01:09:32,540
from Grant Cameron I'm sure another

1506
01:09:37,690 --> 01:09:35,030
people out there there's this term

1507
01:09:40,210 --> 01:09:37,700
called limited hangout and what Sen

1508
01:09:42,460 --> 01:09:40,220
tends to happen is the limited hangout

1509
01:09:44,530 --> 01:09:42,470
is when the government offers up

1510
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:44,540
information about this stuff but then

1511
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:47,510
also muddies it with strange information

1512
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:48,950
so you don't know what to what to

1513
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:49,310
believe

1514
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:52,010
if you muddy the water then you don't

1515
01:09:56,410 --> 01:09:53,810
know what you have just take a look at

1516
01:09:58,420 --> 01:09:56,420
the provenance or lack thereof of the

1517
01:09:59,980 --> 01:09:58,430
videos that were released first of all

1518
01:10:03,370 --> 01:09:59,990
let's take a look at the tic-tac video

1519
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,380
from 2004 that video apparently came out

1520
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:05,600
like in 2006 sometime we're not even

1521
01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:08,090
sure and it was posted somewhere again

1522
01:10:12,340 --> 01:10:10,040
we're not sure but it looks like it was

1523
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:12,350
out there before after it happened in

1524
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:13,610
2004 in 2004

1525
01:10:18,010 --> 01:10:15,350
that's right then there's this other

1526
01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:18,020
video called the gimbal video now why is

1527
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:19,880
it called the gimbal video apparently

1528
01:10:25,580 --> 01:10:23,040
because the camera operates on a gimbal

1529
01:10:27,170 --> 01:10:25,590
some kind of you know moving device now

1530
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:27,180
why is it called the gimbal it's very

1531
01:10:33,260 --> 01:10:29,580
bizarre and then the New York Times in

1532
01:10:35,660 --> 01:10:33,270
their infinite not wisdom they conflated

1533
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:35,670
the two videos on their website they

1534
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,850
showed two videos the 2004 video known

1535
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:41,520
as this nimitz video i guess and then

1536
01:10:45,170 --> 01:10:43,800
this gimbal video which clearly clearly

1537
01:10:47,210 --> 01:10:45,180
did not look like the same kind of

1538
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:47,220
technology it looked like there was more

1539
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:49,350
modern technology they didn't even

1540
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:51,900
notice it didn't look the same they

1541
01:10:56,210 --> 01:10:54,210
claimed it was from the same event the

1542
01:10:58,700 --> 01:10:56,220
turret was not altering our research has

1543
01:11:01,280 --> 01:10:58,710
indicated that it comes from the 2015

1544
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,290
event off the coast of florida that we

1545
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:03,360
think was associated with the roosevelt

1546
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:06,510
carrier group in florida so that was

1547
01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:08,520
only three years ago and our research

1548
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:10,140
also indicates that there were major

1549
01:11:16,190 --> 01:11:13,770
major sightings during that event on the

1550
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:16,200
east coast three years ago and involved

1551
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:18,600
the same tic-tac craft that were seen in

1552
01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:21,060
2004 around the nimitz now keep in mind

1553
01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:22,700
Jimmy what we're talking about

1554
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:25,860
potentially hundreds of these tic-tac

1555
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:29,940
UFOs 50 foot long 20 foot 5 24 25 feet

1556
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:33,810
wide coming down from space maneuvering

1557
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:36,060
around our aircraft carriers at our Ark

1558
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:37,560
our aircraft carrier group that has

1559
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:40,320
nuclear weapons involved that's an

1560
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:43,320
unbelievably scary scenario so why is it

1561
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:45,330
being treated in the way that it is the

1562
01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:47,850
provenance of these videos is very

1563
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:50,780
sketchy the Pentagon has not confirmed

1564
01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:53,760
they released these why doesn't the

1565
01:11:59,600 --> 01:11:57,240
Pentagon say yes we allowed for the

1566
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:59,610
release of these videos the semantics

1567
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:01,320
that I'm hearing from Lou Elizondo I

1568
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:03,960
mean it wasn't released but it really

1569
01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:05,400
wasn't released I mean let's make it

1570
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:08,340
clear please you know the Pentagon has

1571
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:09,210
spokespeople

1572
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:11,850
they could easily say whatever the

1573
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:14,070
provenance chain of event of title was

1574
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:16,650
let's hear it but right now if you

1575
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:18,690
actually ask the one journalist that I'm

1576
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:20,580
aware of I won't name him tonight who

1577
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:22,260
asked the Pentagon shortly after the

1578
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,540
release from the New York Times they

1579
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:26,460
said they did not release these videos

1580
01:12:35,790 --> 01:12:31,040
so it's a very strange limited hangout

1581
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:35,800
where did you go first as you started to

1582
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:40,870
look at this because the same names that

1583
01:12:46,530 --> 01:12:43,810
have been you know in UFO circles and

1584
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:46,540
conspiracy circles are now starting to

1585
01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:50,410
surface with this story a year ago where

1586
01:12:56,670 --> 01:12:53,380
did you decide to go first well the

1587
01:12:58,530 --> 01:12:56,680
names were the same names that we have

1588
01:13:02,430 --> 01:12:58,540
been hearing about a UFO parlance for

1589
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:02,440
years how put off KITT green Ron

1590
01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:07,870
Pandolfi later on joe firmage john semi

1591
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:10,990
van well Jim semi vans name was never

1592
01:13:15,540 --> 01:13:12,970
known I never heard of jimmies jimsim

1593
01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:15,550
even popped up on that stage when Tom

1594
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:16,990
DeLonge announced what he was gonna be

1595
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:18,340
releasing shortly and what he was

1596
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:19,510
getting together with to the Stars

1597
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:22,090
Academy right I will challenge anyone to

1598
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:23,890
tell me they heard of Jim semi van

1599
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:29,050
before that day no I did that's a whole

1600
01:13:32,850 --> 01:13:31,450
nother thing okay so I Jimmy we're on

1601
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:32,860
your couch here right you said right so

1602
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:34,990
tell me when did you hear of his name

1603
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:43,990
did it reach out to you man if I if I

1604
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:48,730
start to talk here then others will put

1605
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:51,850
things together so I will avoid that I

1606
01:14:01,640 --> 01:13:54,460
will say this

1607
01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:06,960
Jim semi van came into this circle with

1608
01:14:13,380 --> 01:14:11,260
a vengeance and it and so I'm gonna say

1609
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:13,390
that that was three years ago by the way

1610
01:14:22,190 --> 01:14:18,850
which circles top level conversations

1611
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:22,200
with UFO researchers but let me say this

1612
01:14:28,710 --> 01:14:26,770
the original that was October I believe

1613
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:28,720
October 11th when they did the live

1614
01:14:35,730 --> 01:14:33,400
press conference so that was now just

1615
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:35,740
over a year ago we're only on November

1616
01:14:41,460 --> 01:14:38,770
19th right so much has happened in this

1617
01:14:43,530 --> 01:14:41,470
last year Samuel anyway the reason the

1618
01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:43,540
reason why I focus on Jim semi van is

1619
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:46,300
because according to the individual at

1620
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:48,610
the CIA or been affiliated for years of

1621
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,400
the CIA and

1622
01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:52,880
yay hmm he's saying no shima semi van is

1623
01:14:57,700 --> 01:14:55,670
not real again could be ridiculous what

1624
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:57,710
I say real does he really have the

1625
01:15:03,100 --> 01:14:59,630
credentials and then back and forth they

1626
01:15:04,689 --> 01:15:03,110
go by infighting between our comments

1627
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:04,699
made between these individuals were

1628
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:07,040
talking about how put off talking about

1629
01:15:12,939 --> 01:15:11,120
Ron Ron talking about how Ron talking

1630
01:15:14,830 --> 01:15:12,949
about Jim semi van and back and forth

1631
01:15:16,570 --> 01:15:14,840
that goes it's really kind of childish

1632
01:15:17,410 --> 01:15:16,580
the whole thing boils down to a lot of

1633
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:17,420
nonsense

1634
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:20,210
because these people at least are going

1635
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:21,290
public and saying what they're saying

1636
01:15:27,580 --> 01:15:25,070
that's fine if if Jim's semi van wasn't

1637
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:27,590
really a CIA agent I guess he'd get in

1638
01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:29,690
trouble for saying he formerly was one

1639
01:15:34,180 --> 01:15:31,190
would think right so I'll leave that

1640
01:15:36,430 --> 01:15:34,190
alone but I will say this I do not

1641
01:15:38,590 --> 01:15:36,440
understand the focus on to the Stars

1642
01:15:40,899 --> 01:15:38,600
Academy as anything more than an

1643
01:15:43,630 --> 01:15:40,909
entertainment company because that's

1644
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:43,640
what they appear to be when you receive

1645
01:15:51,310 --> 01:15:47,420
daily I receive daily e-mails from them

1646
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:51,320
selling shirts selling books selling

1647
01:15:56,590 --> 01:15:54,800
everything but UFO research I do not

1648
01:15:59,260 --> 01:15:56,600
understand how you can represent

1649
01:16:01,240 --> 01:15:59,270
yourself and tell the public to donate

1650
01:16:03,070 --> 01:16:01,250
money to you and say you're gonna be

1651
01:16:06,130 --> 01:16:03,080
cracking the UFO mystery and then of

1652
01:16:08,290 --> 01:16:06,140
course using the UFO mystery research to

1653
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:08,300
then find a way to make faster than

1654
01:16:12,580 --> 01:16:10,370
light travel craft or integra vertical

1655
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:12,590
craft it just becomes a little bit silly

1656
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:14,690
when you think about it but that's my

1657
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:16,550
feeling when a company comes along and

1658
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:19,760
says we are backed by a guy from skunk

1659
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:21,590
works who used to be at the Lockheed

1660
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:24,890
Company right away you have to raise

1661
01:16:29,890 --> 01:16:28,040
your eyebrows and go wait a minute why

1662
01:16:33,939 --> 01:16:29,900
is a member of the military industrial

1663
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,949
complex represented in this group emit

1664
01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:36,560
then again where's the money coming from

1665
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:38,780
or going lately we're hearing there's a

1666
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:42,110
major amount of money from 37 million or

1667
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:44,510
so that's being bandied about as maybe

1668
01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:46,610
money they owe I don't understand

1669
01:16:50,860 --> 01:16:48,350
anything about this company more than

1670
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:50,870
anyone else does all I know is this if

1671
01:16:55,899 --> 01:16:52,960
they have access to these three videos

1672
01:16:58,300 --> 01:16:55,909
they should know more than I know and

1673
01:17:00,669 --> 01:16:58,310
mouth more than my staff knows why do we

1674
01:17:02,860 --> 01:17:00,679
have to figure out that big gimbal video

1675
01:17:06,130 --> 01:17:02,870
wasn't part of the

1676
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:06,140
give me the Nimitz case and also find

1677
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:07,910
out what part of the country was it was

1678
01:17:11,770 --> 01:17:09,890
it shot and who shot it and what

1679
01:17:15,190 --> 01:17:11,780
aircraft carrier group was involved if

1680
01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:15,200
they really know so much TT si why are

1681
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:16,940
they holding back information we have to

1682
01:17:23,470 --> 01:17:19,160
go figure out on our own so this doesn't

1683
01:17:26,050 --> 01:17:23,480
smell right to me now ok so back to my

1684
01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:26,060
question wait where did you go first as

1685
01:17:31,210 --> 01:17:28,420
you started to do your investigation

1686
01:17:34,180 --> 01:17:31,220
well ironically at the same time that

1687
01:17:36,370 --> 01:17:34,190
Tom DeLonge was coming out with his

1688
01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:36,380
group and announcing them on a stage I

1689
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:38,750
had been looking into anti-gravity

1690
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,850
research and I wanted to find a company

1691
01:17:45,130 --> 01:17:43,040
that was pioneering aerospace

1692
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,140
development in that area and I came

1693
01:17:48,610 --> 01:17:46,880
across one company that looked fairly

1694
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:48,620
interesting they had a very good

1695
01:17:53,230 --> 01:17:51,110
visionary very interesting visionary but

1696
01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:53,240
it they had no funding and it was clear

1697
01:17:55,930 --> 01:17:55,190
their funding was not going to be coming

1698
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,940
anytime soon

1699
01:18:00,820 --> 01:17:58,400
and then in the course of looking for a

1700
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:00,830
possible helper to fund what we were

1701
01:18:05,710 --> 01:18:03,290
doing at that company I discovered Joe

1702
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:05,720
firmage and I remember Joe of course

1703
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:09,050
from the 90s an amazing guy who had

1704
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:12,110
probably I think it's safe to say he

1705
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:14,810
helped invent the idea of apps and also

1706
01:18:19,090 --> 01:18:17,210
the idea that websites would literally

1707
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:19,100
be the wave commerce and business would

1708
01:18:21,190 --> 01:18:20,570
really be done with websites on the

1709
01:18:24,340 --> 01:18:21,200
Internet

1710
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:24,350
he was a very very futuristic thinking

1711
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,530
guy made a fortune in Silicon Valley and

1712
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:29,840
then one day apparently he had some kind

1713
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:31,730
of an epiphany you know whether or not

1714
01:18:35,470 --> 01:18:33,710
he had a vision in his in his home

1715
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:35,480
whether or not you can say it was

1716
01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:38,210
something more than a vision whatever he

1717
01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:40,190
decided after that sometime after that

1718
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:41,630
to devote his life to you all for

1719
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:44,660
research and donate and I mean donate or

1720
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:47,930
give away my understanding is millions

1721
01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:50,810
of dollars so when I contacted Joe I

1722
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:53,420
said look what's your company about he

1723
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:54,560
said well we're gonna be gonna develop

1724
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,330
this company we're gonna build this

1725
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,640
antigravity device we think we've got

1726
01:19:03,070 --> 01:19:00,800
some great support from members of the

1727
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:03,080
intelligence community and I've had that

1728
01:19:07,330 --> 01:19:05,630
support for twenty years Bob so I think

1729
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:07,340
we'll end up be able to make a great

1730
01:19:10,450 --> 01:19:08,630
company and we'd love you to join the

1731
01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:10,460
company and help us with communications

1732
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:13,670
and build an absolute entertainment

1733
01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:16,449
studio that will dole out

1734
01:19:21,719 --> 01:19:19,300
content that will be movies TV shows

1735
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,729
about the discovery of maybe an Tiger

1736
01:19:26,729 --> 01:19:23,920
vertical physics how that will lead to

1737
01:19:29,339 --> 01:19:26,739
maybe other methods of propulsion and

1738
01:19:32,189 --> 01:19:29,349
also maybe energy and Joe had a real

1739
01:19:34,919 --> 01:19:32,199
great vision and I bought in on that my

1740
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:34,929
laureate lawyer and I and Joe worked on

1741
01:19:40,020 --> 01:19:37,209
a contract contract was a valid

1742
01:19:42,209 --> 01:19:40,030
employment contract signed it and joined

1743
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:42,219
and started to work with Joe and it was

1744
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:44,530
very very early on in that period that

1745
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:46,659
it became clear that Ron Pandolfi

1746
01:19:51,299 --> 01:19:49,329
formally in one of the top scientists at

1747
01:19:53,609 --> 01:19:51,309
the CIA according to the New York Times

1748
01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:53,619
by the way I mean that's that's the

1749
01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:55,420
credential that Ron has he's a very very

1750
01:20:00,540 --> 01:19:57,670
top scientist at the CIA was anyway and

1751
01:20:02,549 --> 01:20:00,550
I figured if Ron's involved this has got

1752
01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:02,559
to be a good thing this can't be bad I

1753
01:20:06,299 --> 01:20:04,329
had a friend of mine who's been many of

1754
01:20:08,430 --> 01:20:06,309
my shows dr. Bruce Maccabee a Navy

1755
01:20:10,529 --> 01:20:08,440
optical physicist he actually analyzed

1756
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:10,539
the Guardian video Jimmy he's one of the

1757
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:12,670
people that felt the Guardian video must

1758
01:20:17,219 --> 01:20:14,409
be something authentic without a doubt

1759
01:20:19,169 --> 01:20:17,229
and he knew Ron Pandolfi and that the

1760
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:19,179
article that I mentioned before at the

1761
01:20:22,529 --> 01:20:21,010
beginning when I came on that was in the

1762
01:20:24,589 --> 01:20:22,539
same Edition when I wrote the are the

1763
01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:24,599
face on Mars article for Omni magazine

1764
01:20:28,589 --> 01:20:26,590
that was an article about the

1765
01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:28,599
relationship between Bruce Maccabee and

1766
01:20:33,719 --> 01:20:31,329
Ron Pandolfi and Omni was trying to

1767
01:20:35,609 --> 01:20:33,729
figure out is Bruce Bruce Maccabee kind

1768
01:20:38,009 --> 01:20:35,619
of a turncoat because at one minute he's

1769
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:38,019
a UFO researcher he was a top guy in the

1770
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:40,209
fund for you or for research but also he

1771
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:42,369
was having meetings at the CIA and he

1772
01:20:46,649 --> 01:20:43,690
was having these meetings at the CIA

1773
01:20:48,419 --> 01:20:46,659
with Ron Pandolfi back in the 90s and

1774
01:20:50,549 --> 01:20:48,429
these meetings would be like paper bag

1775
01:20:52,469 --> 01:20:50,559
lunches it all get together they have

1776
01:20:53,699 --> 01:20:52,479
their lunches and Bruce would walk in

1777
01:20:56,430 --> 01:20:53,709
there and give them kind of lectures

1778
01:20:59,009 --> 01:20:56,440
about UFOs so I asked Bruce to look into

1779
01:21:02,459 --> 01:20:59,019
what I was looking into he sent Ron and

1780
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:02,469
an email that basically identified that

1781
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:03,760
I was looking into this whole thing

1782
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:06,639
and by the way grant Cameron was

1783
01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:10,360
lecturing back in 2017 that Ron had back

1784
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:13,420
Joe in the development of a device now

1785
01:21:18,569 --> 01:21:15,610
that device was not an antigravity

1786
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,579
device what grant Cameron was lecturing

1787
01:21:23,279 --> 01:21:19,840
back in 2017

1788
01:21:25,859 --> 01:21:23,289
in the summer of 2017 was that Ron was

1789
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:25,869
interested in a device related to a

1790
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:29,110
portal whatever a portal might be so I

1791
01:21:32,670 --> 01:21:30,160
asked Brewster

1792
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:32,680
this to Ron and Ron came back to Bruce

1793
01:21:37,860 --> 01:21:35,050
and said something not flattering about

1794
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:37,870
Grant but never denied the information

1795
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:40,330
so I figured well it was pretty good you

1796
01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:41,950
know back up that Joe may be on to

1797
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:42,520
something

1798
01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:44,650
now look I can't talk about my

1799
01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:46,780
relationship with Joe and what went on

1800
01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:47,860
in the year that I've been working with

1801
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:50,830
Joe other than to say the company is

1802
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:53,410
having financial difficulties and I mean

1803
01:21:59,310 --> 01:21:56,650
major difficulties why they're having

1804
01:22:01,260 --> 01:21:59,320
the difficulties is is a plethora of

1805
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:01,270
reasons I can't even get into it but

1806
01:22:07,710 --> 01:22:05,170
mostly I would say that Joe's inability

1807
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:07,720
to prove it to a level of certainty is

1808
01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:10,420
one thing but then there are people that

1809
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:13,180
are claiming that maybe Ron never

1810
01:22:16,650 --> 01:22:15,190
believed in it and I don't know about

1811
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:16,660
that because I went through this process

1812
01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:19,600
and my understanding is Ron was into it

1813
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:22,600
so that's where we are right now and I'm

1814
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:25,450
trying my best to figure out is there

1815
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:28,030
real support for Joe's device no matter

1816
01:22:33,420 --> 01:22:30,370
what Joe is a visionary Joe may have his

1817
01:22:34,890 --> 01:22:33,430
issues but Joe is a visionary so the

1818
01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:34,900
question really comes right down to it

1819
01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:37,960
how will this play out well I think Joe

1820
01:22:42,150 --> 01:22:40,270
will step up eventually and discuss this

1821
01:22:44,130 --> 01:22:42,160
more publicly I think that will happen

1822
01:22:46,530 --> 01:22:44,140
and that we'll figure that out but

1823
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:46,540
anyway that leads us to this other kind

1824
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:48,550
of interesting issue which is these

1825
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:50,530
people all seem to know each other

1826
01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:55,420
Ron knows Joe Hal knows Joe how and the

1827
01:23:00,150 --> 01:22:57,070
former guy who was at the CIA running

1828
01:23:02,610 --> 01:23:00,160
the weird desk before Ron KITT green he

1829
01:23:04,530 --> 01:23:02,620
knows Joe Hal and KITT were very

1830
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:04,540
interested in Joe's device in the early

1831
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:07,330
incarnation back in 2009 so it's a

1832
01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:09,910
fascinating story and it does look a lot

1833
01:23:13,860 --> 01:23:11,950
like what we're looking at here again is

1834
01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:13,870
a mixed bag and we have to try to figure

1835
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:16,270
out what's what and that's what I'm

1836
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:19,120
working on now Joe firmage that the

1837
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:21,900
other thing is his company was called

1838
01:23:31,530 --> 01:23:27,910
Academy of Arts and Sciences Academy of

1839
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,540
Arts and Sciences to be fair to Joe if

1840
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:34,480
you know your your chronology Joe came

1841
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:35,890
up with that idea way before there was a

1842
01:23:37,710 --> 01:23:37,270
to the Stars a cannon that's what I'm

1843
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:37,720
saying

1844
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:40,180
no that's put off we could do the math

1845
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:42,820
here right how put off is the one guy

1846
01:23:46,649 --> 01:23:44,169
that was a

1847
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:46,659
with both so I think hal should come on

1848
01:23:50,549 --> 01:23:48,249
tonight if we had our way I asked how to

1849
01:23:51,989 --> 01:23:50,559
call me last couple of days I wanted to

1850
01:23:52,739 --> 01:23:51,999
talk to hell before I went on this show

1851
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:52,749
with you Jimmy

1852
01:23:55,859 --> 01:23:54,369
I wanted how to give me at least an

1853
01:23:57,839 --> 01:23:55,869
update where we were last talking back

1854
01:23:59,580 --> 01:23:57,849
in March or April mm-hmm and you know

1855
01:24:02,399 --> 01:23:59,590
his last words to me were yes I'm gonna

1856
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:02,409
have Lou Elizondo and I'm gonna have

1857
01:24:07,979 --> 01:24:06,159
Chris melon call you and see if this Bob

1858
01:24:10,469 --> 01:24:07,989
you've done more work in the UFO video

1859
01:24:12,509 --> 01:24:10,479
area than anybody I respect you and I'd

1860
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:12,519
like you to be help us out here they

1861
01:24:15,719 --> 01:24:14,409
never called me they apparently made a

1862
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:15,729
deal with some other network doing

1863
01:24:19,709 --> 01:24:17,409
whatever they're gonna do but when if

1864
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:19,719
you want to treat this seriously why not

1865
01:24:23,819 --> 01:24:21,610
bring it to people that have cut their

1866
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:23,829
teeth on this for years know where the

1867
01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:25,329
bones are buried and really do the right

1868
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job here so again I might be the

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outsider looking into T TSA but I'm very

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clearly aware of the players in t TSA

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and so when it comes right down to it I

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01:24:40,469 --> 01:24:38,709
would think how put-off would want to

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01:24:43,379 --> 01:24:40,479
start talking openly about this

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01:24:46,529 --> 01:24:43,389
connection between Jo firmage previously

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01:24:47,729 --> 01:24:46,539
now T TSA and I think I'm the one

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01:24:50,729 --> 01:24:47,739
journalist that can bring that together

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01:24:54,179 --> 01:24:50,739
cuz I know them all let's take a break

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right here and the the other part about

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01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:56,439
this and especially since we're talking

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about ant anti-gravity devices is we got

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01:25:05,609 --> 01:25:02,439
to get back and swing this back around

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01:25:09,899 --> 01:25:05,619
to skinwalker and what is going on there

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01:25:14,819 --> 01:25:09,909
too well so and it is very strange to me

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01:25:19,379 --> 01:25:14,829
here Bob that and I in a weird way I

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01:25:20,939 --> 01:25:19,389
feel bad for Tom because he I think he

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01:25:22,889 --> 01:25:20,949
just wants to do the right thing he's

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01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:22,899
fascinated with the UFO subject and

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01:25:27,389 --> 01:25:25,209
alien and et contact like we all are

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01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:27,399
we've all had strange things that we

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01:25:33,689 --> 01:25:31,030
have seen I've seen my share of that and

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once you get into it and you have these

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01:25:38,909 --> 01:25:36,249
epiphanies that change your life you try

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01:25:40,739 --> 01:25:38,919
to get these answers and I don't know I

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01:25:43,739 --> 01:25:40,749
did something feels weird to me about

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01:25:46,109 --> 01:25:43,749
this entire situation that Tom might

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01:25:48,899 --> 01:25:46,119
have himself wrapped up in there's no

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01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:48,909
doubt I'll just add one thing that again

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I know there's a lot of UFO conferences

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01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:51,760
out there Jimmy and I don't want to make

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a competition thing out of it but

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there's a new conference that I'm gonna

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be speaking at back in March

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I'm gonna be also moderating the panel

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discussion on the Pentagon UFO military

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witnesses both Nimitz and most likely

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Roosevelt and I'm also gonna be

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01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:07,440
mentioning the connection that you're

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01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:09,630
making which is there seems to be a

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01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:11,580
repeat performance here going on if you

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01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:13,320
go back to the earth you know period in

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the 80s there's a guy named Bill Moore

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and Bill Moore spoke at a conference and

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01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:19,770
he spoke and tried to tell the world

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that he was dealing with the

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intelligence community but he was also

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01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:25,200
dealing with the UFO community and he

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01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:26,850
had to admit that he was not doing such

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01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:29,400
great things somewhere somehow and maybe

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01:26:33,260 --> 01:26:31,680
he was feeling bad about that but my

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goal is to come there and tell people

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01:26:39,230 --> 01:26:37,110
the truth journalistically not just give

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01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:39,240
it from a UFO position now in the UFO

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01:26:42,650 --> 01:26:40,560
phenomena position but from a

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01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:42,660
journalistic position talking about the

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black budgets talking about where our

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01:26:48,170 --> 01:26:46,350
where our monies are going as American

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01:26:50,890 --> 01:26:48,180
citizens it's becoming more of a

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01:26:53,570 --> 01:26:50,900
political thing in the sense of our

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01:26:56,330 --> 01:26:53,580
country just our country not blue or red

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or anything just our country why are we

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01:27:00,560 --> 01:26:58,800
left in the dark about so much money you

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01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:00,570
know right before 9/11 I was telling you

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before when we weren't on the radio that

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Rumsfeld said sometimes shortly before

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01:27:12,230 --> 01:27:09,900
9/11 that literally speaking we've lost

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in the trillions of dollars we don't

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01:27:17,420 --> 01:27:14,840
know where the money is trillions

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01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:17,430
trillions is just missing are you

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01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:19,710
kidding me trillions is missing so if

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01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:20,970
you have to be up if you're a political

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01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:23,130
person or you're running for office or

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01:27:26,930 --> 01:27:25,050
whatever wouldn't you want to make that

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01:27:28,730 --> 01:27:26,940
a platform wouldn't that be important so

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01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:28,740
anyway that's my thinking is right now

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as a journalist but I think more than

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01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:33,300
anything speak to people about what the

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truth is let them hear the truth as much

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as we can give it to them and I say the

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same thing to help put off I say the

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01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:41,910
same thing to Ron I've been having

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conversations through email with Ron and

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01:27:48,650 --> 01:27:46,200
I'm trying to get him to understand if

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01:27:51,650 --> 01:27:48,660
you have evidence that you can show

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01:27:53,630 --> 01:27:51,660
certain UFO cases are not real let's see

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01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:53,640
that evidence let's talk about it if you

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01:27:58,210 --> 01:27:55,110
have evidence in other cases might be

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01:28:01,160 --> 01:27:58,220
real show us that but just to mention

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01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:01,170
offhand things are not real and oh the

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01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:03,810
Nimitz case didn't happen well why would

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01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:06,540
we accept that we want answers we want

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01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:08,760
details and hopefully by the time March

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01:28:10,859 --> 01:28:10,170
rolls around at the conference

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01:28:13,109 --> 01:28:10,869
I'll have

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01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:13,119
more details but also for my own TV show

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01:28:17,549 --> 01:28:15,010
so the most important thing for me is

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truth Jimmy my shows have been called

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01:28:24,359 --> 01:28:21,159
fact or fiction question mark by and

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01:28:26,879 --> 01:28:24,369
large that's the idea is it real or is

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01:28:28,919 --> 01:28:26,889
it not and that's the question so we're

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01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:28,929
really getting into it now let's take a

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quick break right here our guest tonight

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Robert Gibby it it's all on the table

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tonight here on fade to black I'm your

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host Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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charge radio this is fade to black we'll

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be right back after this short break

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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[Music]

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welcome back beta-blocker meals to me

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church tomorrow night is Fator night

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we'll have a live report from Lima Peru

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about the press conference going down

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there tomorrow about the Nazca mummies

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follow my open lines all night long

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Thanksgiving with our family tonight it

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is Bob kiveat and now Bob as we jump

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back into this I want to focus on one

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thing real quick the the appearance that

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T TSA has been giving us and the UFO

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community if not the world is that the

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01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:12,250
Pentagon is supporting their efforts and

2073
01:34:18,330 --> 01:34:13,870
supplying them with information that

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01:34:20,250 --> 01:34:18,340
this is a Pentagon and CIA thing when I

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01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:20,260
say something like that what's your

2076
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:24,220
reaction well that's the appearance but

2077
01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:27,970
when you press the Pentagon they are so

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01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:31,990
dismissive that one has to wonder why

2079
01:34:37,020 --> 01:34:34,930
would they do that if indeed this is

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released one way or another and I've

2081
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:40,000
heard Lou's technical explanation for it

2082
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:42,250
and all let's talk let's talk English

2083
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:44,560
guys let's talk English okay if the

2084
01:34:49,410 --> 01:34:47,410
Pentagon is allowing these videos to

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01:34:51,450 --> 01:34:49,420
come out and be represent and

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01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:51,460
representing them at or allowing them to

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01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:54,010
be represented by anybody as really

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01:34:58,590 --> 01:34:56,320
shocked by our own naval craft Navy

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01:35:00,840 --> 01:34:58,600
planes that are paid for by the United

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01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:00,850
States you know and we are the taxpayers

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01:35:04,710 --> 01:35:02,170
we're buying every one of those planes

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01:35:06,060 --> 01:35:04,720
we're buying the Raytheon cameras I

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01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:06,070
don't want to get too much on the

2094
01:35:10,020 --> 01:35:07,710
soapbox here Jimmy but let's face it

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01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:10,030
those are our videos you know what I

2096
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:12,310
mean they're ours and we want to know

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01:35:18,540 --> 01:35:14,800
what the hell they are so why would this

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01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:18,550
become a game of Lou taking them out

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01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:21,250
somehow getting them delivered to him

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01:35:27,540 --> 01:35:24,610
somehow never giving us the correct

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01:35:30,210 --> 01:35:27,550
provenance and then when you look into

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01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:30,220
it you find out the Pentagon will not

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01:35:35,730 --> 01:35:33,370
confirm them so that's a big problem and

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01:35:37,020 --> 01:35:35,740
I think it'll make it or break it in

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01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:37,030
terms of the believability

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01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:40,090
actor you have to step up and say these

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01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,610
are real and here's why they are real

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01:35:46,650 --> 01:35:44,800
and here's where they came from one of

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01:35:49,290 --> 01:35:46,660
my friends actually many years I think

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01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:49,300
him as friend Billy Cox he's a good

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01:35:53,070 --> 01:35:50,770
writer out in Florida work for many

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01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:53,080
newspapers but he's almost also covered

2113
01:35:58,620 --> 01:35:55,750
this beat quite a bit Billy wrote a

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01:36:00,900 --> 01:35:58,630
piece that I read on the Internet

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01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:00,910
and it was really a piece that simply

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01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:03,310
stated the same basic idea that if you

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brought these into a courtroom basically

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the provenance will fall apart and

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without the provenance you don't know

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what you've got so it's time for the

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provenance to be shown and if they come

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01:36:16,890 --> 01:36:15,730
up with another video no offense I don't

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want to see you through little Lou

2124
01:36:21,630 --> 01:36:18,880
Elizondo I don't want to see you through

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01:36:25,650 --> 01:36:21,640
Tom you know the long I want to see it

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from some governmental respected person

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01:36:30,420 --> 01:36:28,540
that steps forward and says this event

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occurred on the coast of floor of the

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coast of Florida these we now know how

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many videos were shot during the 2015

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event at least we know of at least many

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more than have been released so far and

2133
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:42,850
if Lou knows more than we know then why

2134
01:36:46,380 --> 01:36:44,860
isn't he telling people so how come I

2135
01:36:47,970 --> 01:36:46,390
know so much about the Roosevelt case

2136
01:36:49,530 --> 01:36:47,980
and we have some really great

2137
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:49,540
researchers out there Jimmy there's a

2138
01:36:54,450 --> 01:36:51,760
Facebook page called the a tip Facebook

2139
01:36:57,630 --> 01:36:54,460
page and a guy named Dave baby beautiful

2140
01:36:59,670 --> 01:36:57,640
even a beautiful recreation of what the

2141
01:37:01,710 --> 01:36:59,680
Nimitz in that event looked like and

2142
01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:01,720
it's posted on the Facebook page people

2143
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:03,550
should see this it's a little movie

2144
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:05,980
basically and it shows what these craft

2145
01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:08,050
probably look like based on the

2146
01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:10,360
witnesses but again I say to Lou tonight

2147
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:13,000
and say the how why didn't you call me

2148
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,010
and let's talk about these videos why

2149
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:17,920
are they being kept in a very very small

2150
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:20,650
group and then given to one particular

2151
01:37:25,260 --> 01:37:24,160
TV group I'm aware of that I don't I

2152
01:37:27,110 --> 01:37:25,270
don't believe they have any real

2153
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:27,120
expertise in foot in photo

2154
01:37:32,190 --> 01:37:30,040
photogrammetry and expertise in videos

2155
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:32,200
that's what you want in this kind of a

2156
01:37:36,630 --> 01:37:34,510
case so I have to say I'm a little let

2157
01:37:39,660 --> 01:37:36,640
down by the new york times and i'm sure

2158
01:37:41,130 --> 01:37:39,670
surely let down by the pentagon not

2159
01:37:43,230 --> 01:37:41,140
stepping up and saying what the print

2160
01:37:44,940 --> 01:37:43,240
what the provenance is but i'm digging

2161
01:37:47,790 --> 01:37:44,950
and i'll try to get to the bottom of it

2162
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:47,800
now and skinwalker is right in the

2163
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:49,210
middle of this too as well obviously

2164
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:50,590
bass and big

2165
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,290
oh and and and skinwalker this is part

2166
01:37:59,729 --> 01:37:58,719
of your research too as well what is

2167
01:38:02,250 --> 01:37:59,739
going on here

2168
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:02,260
well the skinwalker situation is is

2169
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:05,530
fairly complex when you start looking

2170
01:38:09,060 --> 01:38:07,449
into it as we did we noticed the New

2171
01:38:10,620 --> 01:38:09,070
York Times was not getting into it

2172
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:10,630
thoroughly where did that money go with

2173
01:38:16,169 --> 01:38:13,570
Bigelow where was it going we did hear

2174
01:38:19,709 --> 01:38:16,179
through the grapevine that the ranch had

2175
01:38:21,540 --> 01:38:19,719
been sold to somebody and we did our due

2176
01:38:23,459 --> 01:38:21,550
diligence and we followed our leads at

2177
01:38:24,990 --> 01:38:23,469
my company and we found with the help of

2178
01:38:27,390 --> 01:38:25,000
Believe It or Not the eighth tip page I

2179
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:27,400
just described they were helping trying

2180
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:28,719
to get to the bottom of research that

2181
01:38:35,550 --> 01:38:31,119
was being done and it became pretty

2182
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:35,560
clear who the new owners might be but I

2183
01:38:39,689 --> 01:38:37,630
know that the new owners want to be made

2184
01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:39,699
public or not it's a fascinating

2185
01:38:44,609 --> 01:38:42,340
situation because the people that are

2186
01:38:46,589 --> 01:38:44,619
involved in skinwalker ranch have

2187
01:38:47,580 --> 01:38:46,599
backgrounds that are fascinating and I

2188
01:38:51,450 --> 01:38:47,590
think we should want to know more about

2189
01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:51,460
them but due to my you know journalists

2190
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:53,020
we have this credo and we like to keep

2191
01:38:58,290 --> 01:38:56,110
our sources close we don't necessarily

2192
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,300
want to blow the relationship with our

2193
01:39:03,390 --> 01:39:00,400
sources so I'm not gonna be the one to

2194
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,400
divulge names tonight to maybe the other

2195
01:39:05,879 --> 01:39:04,960
chagrin of certain people out there but

2196
01:39:08,220 --> 01:39:05,889
I can't do that

2197
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,230
but um there's a fascinating story

2198
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,960
behind skinwalker ranch I think the idea

2199
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:12,639
for years at my company when we're doing

2200
01:39:16,589 --> 01:39:14,170
our shows at the Fox Network especially

2201
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:16,599
we never really saw any hard evidence of

2202
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:18,460
anything really happening at skinwalker

2203
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:21,520
ranch we heard stories of things you

2204
01:39:27,870 --> 01:39:25,210
know gigantic wolves and strange maybe

2205
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,880
even UFO sightings and different things

2206
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:30,400
but we did one thing we did hear a lot

2207
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:34,150
about were like negative things possibly

2208
01:39:39,089 --> 01:39:36,639
either ghostly or even demonic things

2209
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:39,099
and when we when you dig into the

2210
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:42,250
research of what what Harry Reid was

2211
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,520
saying a former senator obviously Senate

2212
01:39:50,250 --> 01:39:47,679
Majority Leader at one point he felt

2213
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:50,260
that we should do a study back in 2007

2214
01:39:55,620 --> 01:39:53,290
in 2006-7 on this entire idea of UFOs

2215
01:39:57,660 --> 01:39:55,630
and whatnot but most of the money seemed

2216
01:39:59,820 --> 01:39:57,670
to go to Bigelow and most of the

2217
01:40:01,979 --> 01:39:59,830
activity looks like it was probably at

2218
01:40:04,379 --> 01:40:01,989
skinwalker ranch and when he went public

2219
01:40:06,689 --> 01:40:04,389
and he said that a lot of the military

2220
01:40:08,129 --> 01:40:06,699
do not want to look into UFOs or he said

2221
01:40:09,449 --> 01:40:08,139
actually the intelligence community

2222
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:09,459
there are people that don't want to look

2223
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,070
into UFOs because they may be demonic

2224
01:40:16,979 --> 01:40:13,840
and it somehow goes against their

2225
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,989
religious thinking I say what what kind

2226
01:40:21,689 --> 01:40:19,360
of military would you want that judges

2227
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:21,699
their decisions about protecting us or

2228
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:23,409
not whether it fits their religious

2229
01:40:28,139 --> 01:40:26,110
thinking that's nuts so why weren't

2230
01:40:30,810 --> 01:40:28,149
people digging deeper and asking Harry

2231
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:30,820
Reid direct questions don't you mean you

2232
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:33,280
know ask Harry don't you mean evidence

2233
01:40:38,759 --> 01:40:36,639
was being collected in other places not

2234
01:40:41,609 --> 01:40:38,769
the UFO events themselves

2235
01:40:44,459 --> 01:40:41,619
why are you conflating UFO sightings in

2236
01:40:47,069 --> 01:40:44,469
a way and military UFO sightings with

2237
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:47,079
alleged demonic activity no one asked

2238
01:40:51,509 --> 01:40:48,729
carry these questions no one seemed to

2239
01:40:53,069 --> 01:40:51,519
care well I care so I'm gonna get into

2240
01:40:54,389 --> 01:40:53,079
that very heavily in the show that we're

2241
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:54,399
gonna do we're gonna find out what

2242
01:40:57,419 --> 01:40:55,570
they're talking about because there

2243
01:41:00,029 --> 01:40:57,429
appears to be some negativity about

2244
01:41:01,979 --> 01:41:00,039
skinwalker ranch which I don't know why

2245
01:41:03,379 --> 01:41:01,989
it belongs there from what my

2246
01:41:05,790 --> 01:41:03,389
understanding is from the new owners

2247
01:41:08,250 --> 01:41:05,800
they really want to look into the truth

2248
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:08,260
they want to figure it out okay but

2249
01:41:12,089 --> 01:41:10,090
there's an event I just want you to know

2250
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:12,099
Bob Bigelow seemed to have told George

2251
01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:14,169
Knapp somewhere I don't have the exact

2252
01:41:18,839 --> 01:41:16,300
quote the attribution today but I'll get

2253
01:41:21,089 --> 01:41:18,849
that for you Bob Bigelow apparently told

2254
01:41:22,799 --> 01:41:21,099
George Knapp who was a chief journalist

2255
01:41:24,509 --> 01:41:22,809
on this and I think George is great but

2256
01:41:25,889 --> 01:41:24,519
you know there are times you want to ask

2257
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:25,899
George why didn't he ask tougher

2258
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:28,449
questions I mean George has put out the

2259
01:41:33,779 --> 01:41:31,119
idea that Bigelow felt that a skinwalker

2260
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:33,789
ranch became more popular as a name and

2261
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:36,130
the idea is scientists are there looking

2262
01:41:40,109 --> 01:41:38,530
at the UFO another phenomena why not

2263
01:41:42,569 --> 01:41:40,119
take those scientists and look into

2264
01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:42,579
another area so I let one of the owners

2265
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:44,649
of skinwalker ranch know that this is

2266
01:41:49,229 --> 01:41:46,530
amazing event out in Malibu California

2267
01:41:51,569 --> 01:41:49,239
there's a guy shooting video out there

2268
01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:51,579
right now that involves benevolent

2269
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,249
beings apparently very benevolent maybe

2270
01:41:59,310 --> 01:41:57,280
angels maybe some sort of other kind of

2271
01:42:01,799 --> 01:41:59,320
dimensional beings you have military

2272
01:42:04,259 --> 01:42:01,809
craft flying in the footage is

2273
01:42:06,299 --> 01:42:04,269
extraordinary it's like amazing amount

2274
01:42:08,969 --> 01:42:06,309
of footage and the individual shooting

2275
01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:08,979
the footage has an incredible life story

2276
01:42:12,419 --> 01:42:10,780
to tell to and he's getting these

2277
01:42:14,909 --> 01:42:12,429
messages and I'm not I'm not talking

2278
01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:14,919
fairy Airy here this is real stuff this

2279
01:42:18,090 --> 01:42:17,320
is real interesting video and there

2280
01:42:20,010 --> 01:42:18,100
appears to be

2281
01:42:22,290 --> 01:42:20,020
kind of connection between the

2282
01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:22,300
individual Malibu sending up kind of

2283
01:42:25,740 --> 01:42:23,860
like you know signals that way Steven

2284
01:42:27,210 --> 01:42:25,750
Greer did years ago and still does I

2285
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,220
know and getting some kind of

2286
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:29,440
communication back so I wanted the

2287
01:42:34,050 --> 01:42:31,270
skinwalker ranch people to think about

2288
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:34,060
going out to Malibu with me and looking

2289
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:36,370
what's going on and also the area of

2290
01:42:40,230 --> 01:42:38,350
Malibu were talking about got Indian

2291
01:42:42,090 --> 01:42:40,240
dating with those fires terribly the

2292
01:42:43,470 --> 01:42:42,100
last couple of weeks so it's an

2293
01:42:46,380 --> 01:42:43,480
interesting dynamic you've got a

2294
01:42:48,510 --> 01:42:46,390
incredible amount of activity benevolent

2295
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:48,520
benevolent beings apparently giving very

2296
01:42:52,830 --> 01:42:50,770
very positive messages to this

2297
01:42:54,530 --> 01:42:52,840
individual and look I don't know if the

2298
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,540
messages are coming into his head

2299
01:42:59,160 --> 01:42:56,800
telepathically I don't know whether or

2300
01:43:01,740 --> 01:42:59,170
not he's imagining it he doesn't believe

2301
01:43:03,900 --> 01:43:01,750
so but the video evidence and I stay

2302
01:43:06,990 --> 01:43:03,910
focused on video Jimmy the video

2303
01:43:09,090 --> 01:43:07,000
evidence is extraordinary extraordinary

2304
01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:09,100
amount of footage apparently almost

2305
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:10,450
every night there's some kind of

2306
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:12,850
activity you've got things in the sky

2307
01:43:17,130 --> 01:43:15,490
that you can't explain and then you've

2308
01:43:19,770 --> 01:43:17,140
got a craft one particular event

2309
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:19,780
happened in his backyard this huge ball

2310
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:22,690
comes floating through I mean huge and

2311
01:43:26,910 --> 01:43:24,520
out of nowhere there appears to be

2312
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:26,920
another ball that appears on this

2313
01:43:30,930 --> 01:43:29,290
neighbor's roof and when you see the

2314
01:43:32,670 --> 01:43:30,940
footage what you see is an extraordinary

2315
01:43:34,620 --> 01:43:32,680
extraordinary event happening with

2316
01:43:36,330 --> 01:43:34,630
night-vision photography it should be

2317
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:36,340
looked at by some of the best experts in

2318
01:43:39,570 --> 01:43:38,110
our country and that's the kind of

2319
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,580
material I want to bring to bear in the

2320
01:43:42,570 --> 01:43:40,960
new the new show and also at the

2321
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:42,580
conference but again I ask the new

2322
01:43:47,580 --> 01:43:44,530
owners skinwalker ranch one of them

2323
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:47,590
would you look into this case and he's

2324
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:49,030
considering it so I mean that's

2325
01:43:53,310 --> 01:43:50,410
something positive and I think it would

2326
01:43:55,290 --> 01:43:53,320
be a nice way to balance any negativity

2327
01:43:58,530 --> 01:43:55,300
being thrown our way about UFOs and

2328
01:44:00,420 --> 01:43:58,540
whatnot to a different a different level

2329
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:00,430
of thinking and so I'm watching you mind

2330
01:44:04,110 --> 01:44:02,170
open about all these issues best I can

2331
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:04,120
yeah I'm watching Twitter here everybody

2332
01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:06,250
wants to know if it's Tony Robbins it is

2333
01:44:12,270 --> 01:44:09,160
not Tony Robbins why do they mention

2334
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:12,280
Tony Robbins everybody thinks it's Tony

2335
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:16,090
Robbins at owns skinwalker now oh by the

2336
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:18,850
way it's not and I think the actual

2337
01:44:23,700 --> 01:44:21,040
story is when people find out there's a

2338
01:44:25,950 --> 01:44:23,710
natural natural natural connections here

2339
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:25,960
it's not like somebody from out of left

2340
01:44:30,510 --> 01:44:28,510
field and I think it'll all make sense

2341
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:30,520
to a lot of people when they understand

2342
01:44:32,820 --> 01:44:31,090
it

2343
01:44:34,290 --> 01:44:32,830
and I guess that'll be something for

2344
01:44:37,050 --> 01:44:34,300
that individual to decide on his own

2345
01:44:40,530 --> 01:44:37,060
when he wants to come out well and I'll

2346
01:44:42,450 --> 01:44:40,540
let the audience know that I have been

2347
01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:42,460
exposed to and known about the new

2348
01:44:48,060 --> 01:44:45,430
owners of skinwalker for a few months

2349
01:44:51,650 --> 01:44:48,070
now and I haven't mentioned it it's it's

2350
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:51,660
not my place but you and I confirmed

2351
01:44:59,250 --> 01:44:56,560
that name names today and so that kind

2352
01:45:04,140 --> 01:44:59,260
of resolves it for me but you have been

2353
01:45:07,770 --> 01:45:04,150
in contact with the new owner of new

2354
01:45:10,650 --> 01:45:07,780
owners I should say of skinwalker

2355
01:45:15,150 --> 01:45:10,660
there is one thing as this comes forward

2356
01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:15,160
in in the future I'm not going to do

2357
01:45:19,770 --> 01:45:16,990
that now as this comes forward in the

2358
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:19,780
future there are some things about the

2359
01:45:26,130 --> 01:45:22,630
past and you kind of alluded it here the

2360
01:45:31,110 --> 01:45:26,140
new owner who I guess we'll we'll keep

2361
01:45:35,970 --> 01:45:31,120
it nameless for now was he he was trying

2362
01:45:42,150 --> 01:45:35,980
to build an anti-gravity device was he

2363
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:42,160
not was he investing into it again we're

2364
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:43,840
getting into the area that I will

2365
01:45:50,730 --> 01:45:46,570
probably have to say no comment but I

2366
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:50,740
would say that again there is this cross

2367
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:53,440
point I don't want to be - evasive here

2368
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:55,930
Jimmy mm-hmm but I will say it this way

2369
01:46:01,130 --> 01:45:58,480
there is this cross point even for me

2370
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,140
between UFOs and anti-gravity coal

2371
01:46:06,780 --> 01:46:04,000
understandings what I can say about this

2372
01:46:09,180 --> 01:46:06,790
individual is he's a fascinating guy he

2373
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:09,190
has been involved in other aspects of

2374
01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:12,070
what we call phenomenology now the CIA

2375
01:46:15,900 --> 01:46:13,860
apparently coined the phrase

2376
01:46:18,930 --> 01:46:15,910
phenomenology when I just thought I was

2377
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:18,940
doing shows about UFOs and unexplained

2378
01:46:24,380 --> 01:46:21,250
phenomena I did not realize I was doing

2379
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:24,390
shows that really ran the gamut of all

2380
01:46:28,260 --> 01:46:26,560
phenomenology under the CIA's thinking

2381
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:28,270
okay but anyway I was doing this

2382
01:46:33,090 --> 01:46:30,310
phenomenology stuff and it looks like

2383
01:46:35,700 --> 01:46:33,100
this other guy was also into what is

2384
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:35,710
called more like phenomenology so he was

2385
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:39,010
interested in could anti-gravity be

2386
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:41,230
something we could harness and he was

2387
01:46:44,940 --> 01:46:43,440
involved with the antigravity

2388
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:44,950
development area

2389
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,810
but whether or not he wants to give that

2390
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:48,880
information out to the public that's

2391
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,760
gonna be his his idea is to do not me

2392
01:46:56,460 --> 01:46:54,400
but I will say this it is a fascinating

2393
01:46:57,390 --> 01:46:56,470
cross point because when I discovered

2394
01:47:01,080 --> 01:46:57,400
who it was

2395
01:47:02,730 --> 01:47:01,090
I went bingo makes perfect sense to me

2396
01:47:05,490 --> 01:47:02,740
that that would be the kind of

2397
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:05,500
individual that would gravitate no pun

2398
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:08,880
intended gravitate to anti-gravity

2399
01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:11,440
advancement and all of that but I will

2400
01:47:16,830 --> 01:47:14,860
say this it is an interesting connection

2401
01:47:20,010 --> 01:47:16,840
that when people start to really hear it

2402
01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:20,020
and see it it's gonna be it's something

2403
01:47:25,980 --> 01:47:23,110
to talk about now so when we hear TTS a

2404
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:25,990
talk about a [\h__\h] vidiq and and their

2405
01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:29,970
science division and and this technology

2406
01:47:34,770 --> 01:47:33,460
are we is this all part of the same

2407
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:34,780
circle again are we

2408
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,770
overlapping the personalities here you

2409
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:40,480
mean in the antigravity area they're all

2410
01:47:47,940 --> 01:47:43,180
of it yeah there's no doubt there is no

2411
01:47:54,180 --> 01:47:47,950
doubt the names the connections it's a

2412
01:47:58,710 --> 01:47:54,190
very small room Jimmy what when when we

2413
01:48:01,050 --> 01:47:58,720
and this is in in a weird way I feel

2414
01:48:03,780 --> 01:48:01,060
like the wind has been taken out of our

2415
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:03,790
sails when it comes to the original

2416
01:48:10,580 --> 01:48:07,210
ideas to to the Stars and and and

2417
01:48:13,410 --> 01:48:10,590
Bigelow and these these other

2418
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:13,420
personalities here that things just

2419
01:48:20,580 --> 01:48:17,290
don't seem to be going in the right

2420
01:48:23,940 --> 01:48:20,590
direction and you're right you're right

2421
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:23,950
and it's this ups of Occupation really

2422
01:48:29,460 --> 01:48:27,760
it's not direct communication it's not

2423
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:29,470
direct release as we were talking about

2424
01:48:34,590 --> 01:48:31,930
the Providence of the of the tic-tac UFO

2425
01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:34,600
videos right it looks like the whole

2426
01:48:39,180 --> 01:48:37,180
thing is this limited hangout and I

2427
01:48:41,610 --> 01:48:39,190
actually would love to have a panel

2428
01:48:43,950 --> 01:48:41,620
discussion with some members of the CIA

2429
01:48:46,830 --> 01:48:43,960
or former members like Jim semi van and

2430
01:48:48,780 --> 01:48:46,840
Ron and talk about this limited hangout

2431
01:48:51,450 --> 01:48:48,790
there were four times that I'm aware of

2432
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,460
I'll say three actually three times that

2433
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:53,920
we've seen something similar in 1974

2434
01:48:56,460 --> 01:48:55,690
above maneger was making a documentary

2435
01:48:58,740 --> 01:48:56,470
called

2436
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:58,750
UFOs past president future

2437
01:49:01,710 --> 01:48:59,920
the government wasn't gonna give him

2438
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:01,720
some footage and some evidence to prove

2439
01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:03,850
UFOs are real and they basically pulled

2440
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:07,120
it back then in 1988 I believe I'm not

2441
01:49:10,050 --> 01:49:08,290
sure the exact year on this one but I

2442
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:10,060
think it was 88 you had that very

2443
01:49:17,340 --> 01:49:13,330
strange TV special called you know UFO

2444
01:49:20,190 --> 01:49:17,350
cover-up live right again mixed bag area

2445
01:49:22,190 --> 01:49:20,200
51 was mentioned yes for the first time

2446
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:22,200
really area 51 was shown on a flow chart

2447
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,850
but a lot of other strange things were

2448
01:49:29,490 --> 01:49:26,800
done in that show like telling us that

2449
01:49:31,740 --> 01:49:29,500
aliens like strawberry ice cream and I

2450
01:49:33,660 --> 01:49:31,750
may well be true but it came through a

2451
01:49:35,610 --> 01:49:33,670
very weird kind of silhouette interview

2452
01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:35,620
of a guy that was trying to hide his

2453
01:49:39,420 --> 01:49:37,630
identity and whether or not you believe

2454
01:49:41,190 --> 01:49:39,430
that it the credibility factor was very

2455
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:41,200
low then you had the Rockefeller

2456
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:43,210
initiative in the 90s where it looked

2457
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:46,000
like the Rockefeller family and people

2458
01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:48,250
around government and and experts and

2459
01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:49,870
researchers we're all getting together

2460
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:52,150
to release the UFOs might be real and

2461
01:49:58,050 --> 01:49:54,370
that soda went away and now we've got

2462
01:50:00,510 --> 01:49:58,060
this so it's never clear it's always

2463
01:50:02,490 --> 01:50:00,520
this kind of limited hangout never quite

2464
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:02,500
what you want it to be but I will say

2465
01:50:07,650 --> 01:50:05,110
this when you start getting into this

2466
01:50:10,530 --> 01:50:07,660
material right now we have more to chew

2467
01:50:12,180 --> 01:50:10,540
on now than we ever had before so it's a

2468
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:12,190
good time to really kind of crack the

2469
01:50:20,630 --> 01:50:15,520
eggs here and get them open the the

2470
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:20,640
Pentagon side of this the Pentagon is

2471
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:24,970
directly tied to Harry Reid this this 22

2472
01:50:31,470 --> 01:50:28,090
million dollars and then the comments

2473
01:50:33,330 --> 01:50:31,480
about them you know now we need to trust

2474
01:50:38,670 --> 01:50:33,340
we need to just move forward we've got

2475
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:38,680
Louis Elizondo from the m.i.c I mean a

2476
01:50:45,450 --> 01:50:41,890
crazy job that he had not dealing with

2477
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:45,460
UFOs just counterintelligence and and

2478
01:50:53,820 --> 01:50:50,230
Mellon and others from the CIA we are

2479
01:50:56,670 --> 01:50:53,830
now expected to trust who we've never

2480
01:50:58,800 --> 01:50:56,680
trusted before that has teased this

2481
01:51:00,960 --> 01:50:58,810
community and and ridiculed this

2482
01:51:03,540 --> 01:51:00,970
community now suddenly they're supposed

2483
01:51:05,610 --> 01:51:03,550
to be our friends and we are supposed to

2484
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:05,620
move forward and that's a very tough

2485
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,530
pill for us to swallow absolutely but by

2486
01:51:12,689 --> 01:51:10,480
the way it's somewhat history repeating

2487
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:12,699
itself when I when I saw the OP

2488
01:51:16,739 --> 01:51:15,070
eternity my idea was we're gonna get

2489
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:16,749
into things a little bit like Bill more

2490
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:18,190
how to kind of wrestle with it I'm not

2491
01:51:22,290 --> 01:51:19,449
putting a bill more in any kind of a

2492
01:51:23,580 --> 01:51:22,300
pedestal in any way but here's a guy who

2493
01:51:25,799 --> 01:51:23,590
tried to get involved with the

2494
01:51:27,689 --> 01:51:25,809
intelligence community kind of got

2495
01:51:28,799 --> 01:51:27,699
bitten a little bit from it because he

2496
01:51:30,660 --> 01:51:28,809
had to do certain things he didn't

2497
01:51:33,029 --> 01:51:30,670
really want to do and get to the bottom

2498
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:33,039
of things but my view of it is if you

2499
01:51:37,949 --> 01:51:34,690
speak at these events you should bring

2500
01:51:40,379 --> 01:51:37,959
something truly you know groundbreaking

2501
01:51:42,750 --> 01:51:40,389
if you can if you can and so what I'm

2502
01:51:44,729 --> 01:51:42,760
trying to bring is absolute closure to

2503
01:51:47,939 --> 01:51:44,739
the money trail I want to start getting

2504
01:51:48,930 --> 01:51:47,949
back to this black budget program let me

2505
01:51:51,779 --> 01:51:48,940
give you something to think about before

2506
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:51,789
we end tonight this is a quote from the

2507
01:51:57,989 --> 01:51:55,360
from the New York Times article mr. Reed

2508
01:52:00,120 --> 01:51:57,999
said he met with agency officials surely

2509
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:00,130
after his meeting with mr. Bigelow and

2510
01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:04,719
learned that they those officials wanted

2511
01:52:11,279 --> 01:52:08,289
to start a research program on UFOs mr.

2512
01:52:14,729 --> 01:52:11,289
Reed then summoned mr. Stephens and mr.

2513
01:52:16,649 --> 01:52:14,739
Anaya to secure a route to secure to a

2514
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:16,659
secure room in the Capitol if you know

2515
01:52:24,959 --> 01:52:21,360
your history mr. Inoue was a chief the

2516
01:52:27,509 --> 01:52:24,969
angry congressman about or was he Konica

2517
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:27,519
he was literally claiming and a famous

2518
01:52:34,319 --> 01:52:31,090
little kind of speech he gave what that

2519
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:34,329
we was wrong to have a black budget

2520
01:52:39,629 --> 01:52:37,030
basically paraphrasing what he said or a

2521
01:52:43,410 --> 01:52:39,639
government above a government that has

2522
01:52:45,689 --> 01:52:43,420
its own Air Force its own military its

2523
01:52:47,609 --> 01:52:45,699
own thought about what you know we

2524
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:47,619
should do as a country in other words a

2525
01:52:51,330 --> 01:52:49,570
secret government above the government

2526
01:52:53,219 --> 01:52:51,340
so they mr. Anaya

2527
01:52:56,459 --> 01:52:53,229
he's no longer with us he's one of the

2528
01:52:58,529 --> 01:52:56,469
people that helped get Reid the money to

2529
01:53:00,029 --> 01:52:58,539
get toward Bigelow but I find it

2530
01:53:03,540 --> 01:53:00,039
fascinating because he was the same

2531
01:53:05,399 --> 01:53:03,550
person that was calling out the people

2532
01:53:08,879 --> 01:53:05,409
behind the black budget programs and

2533
01:53:10,939 --> 01:53:08,889
saying it's wrong so there is a mystery

2534
01:53:13,859 --> 01:53:10,949
I want to crack into right there Jimmy

2535
01:53:17,549 --> 01:53:13,869
we're gonna take a break and then when

2536
01:53:19,649 --> 01:53:17,559
we come back I want to actually talk

2537
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:19,659
about you personally and one of the

2538
01:53:25,049 --> 01:53:23,679
things that I don't know how you have

2539
01:53:26,010 --> 01:53:25,059
been at the right place at the right

2540
01:53:27,870 --> 01:53:26,020
time

2541
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:27,880
but one of the things that came into

2542
01:53:35,130 --> 01:53:33,040
your possession was the UFO area 51

2543
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:35,140
video and I want to talk about that when

2544
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:36,790
we come back how did you get that video

2545
01:53:42,150 --> 01:53:39,760
I actually it's a great story we heard

2546
01:53:43,710 --> 01:53:42,160
about the video appearing on a tabloid

2547
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:43,720
show we looked at that and we said my

2548
01:53:48,570 --> 01:53:46,210
god is that real and so we got a hold of

2549
01:53:50,460 --> 01:53:48,580
the video through a source that new

2550
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:50,470
believe it or not it's a great great

2551
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:53,170
Hollywood stories right a bartender and

2552
01:53:58,140 --> 01:53:55,090
an Italian restaurant I love to go to in

2553
01:54:00,510 --> 01:53:58,150
Burbank heard I was doing these type of

2554
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,520
TV shows and he said hey did you hear

2555
01:54:05,460 --> 01:54:02,320
about the earth 51 video I said yeah

2556
01:54:08,460 --> 01:54:05,470
yeah he says I know the pilot I said get

2557
01:54:10,740 --> 01:54:08,470
out of here yeah I know the pilot so he

2558
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:10,750
delivered the pilot and co-pilot turned

2559
01:54:16,140 --> 01:54:14,110
out to be this guy who just left area 51

2560
01:54:17,850 --> 01:54:16,150
only had all the papers to show the left

2561
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:17,860
and Nellis range and what his job was

2562
01:54:22,260 --> 01:54:20,320
and all that and he brought us the video

2563
01:54:24,570 --> 01:54:22,270
lee sedol was literally a tape that he

2564
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:24,580
helped get off the base and this UFO

2565
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:26,320
video may be one of the most important

2566
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:28,450
we've ever seen because it's shot over

2567
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:30,670
the Nellis range and it appears to show

2568
01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:34,330
a UFO morphing changing first it's a

2569
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:36,190
first that looks like a typical saucer

2570
01:54:40,590 --> 01:54:38,410
then it moves into some kind of clover

2571
01:54:42,180 --> 01:54:40,600
shape then it goes apparently according

2572
01:54:44,670 --> 01:54:42,190
to the very freaked out

2573
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:44,680
members of the team and area 51 you can

2574
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:46,270
hear them in the background in the audio

2575
01:54:51,060 --> 01:54:49,090
going what is that thing I don't know so

2576
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:51,070
we got that tape but we had to we had to

2577
01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:52,690
show the guy in silhouette and it's a

2578
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,820
very very important point tonight we had

2579
01:54:58,530 --> 01:54:56,560
to show this guy in silhouette which

2580
01:55:00,690 --> 01:54:58,540
he's black in his face and make his

2581
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:00,700
voice a little modulated but we did it

2582
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,290
in a way where at least the guy was

2583
01:55:07,290 --> 01:55:04,960
respected you can see he was not looking

2584
01:55:09,420 --> 01:55:07,300
weird or anything and I give that as a

2585
01:55:11,010 --> 01:55:09,430
cautionary tale to anybody else that

2586
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:11,020
tries to put someone in kind of

2587
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:12,490
silhouette or

2588
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:14,410
you really want to make it look credible

2589
01:55:18,780 --> 01:55:17,290
you do not want to make it look like

2590
01:55:20,460 --> 01:55:18,790
you're trying to cover up someone's

2591
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:20,470
identity you want to actually make it

2592
01:55:25,500 --> 01:55:23,410
less you know and III harken back to a

2593
01:55:27,150 --> 01:55:25,510
recent documentary that was out I won't

2594
01:55:29,460 --> 01:55:27,160
call it out Jimmy but you and I talked

2595
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:29,470
about it you don't cover up somebody

2596
01:55:34,890 --> 01:55:32,770
using kind of you know hackneyed kind of

2597
01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:34,900
maneuvers so all I can say is I did a

2598
01:55:39,479 --> 01:55:36,910
lot of work to keep this guy protected

2599
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:39,489
for all these years I do know his name

2600
01:55:43,050 --> 01:55:41,410
I will try to contact him in the future

2601
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:43,060
even see if I'll ever want to come you

2602
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:44,530
know go public and really tell more

2603
01:55:48,420 --> 01:55:46,930
about that video but let's take a break

2604
01:55:50,190 --> 01:55:48,430
right here I wanted to know what was the

2605
01:55:54,150 --> 01:55:50,200
Italian restaurant you know I live in

2606
01:55:57,150 --> 01:55:54,160
Burbank ah it was Italian restaurant let

2607
01:55:58,050 --> 01:55:57,160
me let me think I want to come back just

2608
01:56:00,120 --> 01:55:58,060
tonight

2609
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:00,130
Robert aviod ayamaro should be church

2610
01:56:03,540 --> 01:56:02,170
this is fade to black more with Bob

2611
01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:03,550
right after this short break stay with

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poor mr. Brooks I fade to black because

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this is fade to black

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[Music]

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02:01:13,419 --> 02:01:08,030
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

2719
02:01:21,129 --> 02:01:13,429
here Jimmy Church our guest tonight

2720
02:01:22,660 --> 02:01:21,139
Robert Kibby it is here and let's it's

2721
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how it gets straight back into it this

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is fade to black you can follow me on

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Twitter add JDO and Robert are you on

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Twitter I'm not really much of a tutor

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guy but I may become more one I think

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our president has taught us the value of

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Twitter oh man you got that right Jimmy

2728
02:01:47,979 --> 02:01:44,090
the restaurant was called macelli's oh

2729
02:01:50,970 --> 02:01:47,989
my Chili's of course oh yeah yeah one of

2730
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my favorite women if you're the LA and

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ya call Wonga Lankershim right Quang

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Quang collection right yep home of the

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singing waiters man that many yeah they

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got a pretty good bolognese there at

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maturity I love that place I love that

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place it's great great institution I

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02:02:17,919 --> 02:02:14,630
want to get out okay back to where can

2738
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:17,929
we see is the Nellis Air a fifty one

2739
02:02:24,580 --> 02:02:20,570
video online anywhere tonight you can go

2740
02:02:26,439 --> 02:02:24,590
to Netflix right now and watch UFOs the

2741
02:02:28,270 --> 02:02:26,449
best evidence ever caught on tape my

2742
02:02:29,950 --> 02:02:28,280
first show you get a chance to see a

2743
02:02:33,070 --> 02:02:29,960
young George Knapp sitting there talking

2744
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:33,080
about area 51 right you'll see right

2745
02:02:37,300 --> 02:02:35,330
after that we show the footage in

2746
02:02:37,780 --> 02:02:37,310
Jonathan Frakes leads us through it you

2747
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:37,790
gotta see it

2748
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,400
whatever happened to Jonathan Frakes I

2749
02:02:44,979 --> 02:02:43,280
don't know I mean Jonathan is one of

2750
02:02:47,890 --> 02:02:44,989
those people where you know he's done a

2751
02:02:50,439 --> 02:02:47,900
lot of amazing things in acting and

2752
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:50,449
directing one thing I always got a kick

2753
02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:52,010
out of when he was hosting my alien

2754
02:02:58,060 --> 02:02:55,520
alien autopsy factor fiction show he

2755
02:03:00,910 --> 02:02:58,070
took a real serious interest in the

2756
02:03:02,530 --> 02:03:00,920
Roswell story and then later on he was

2757
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:02,540
one of the people behind that Roswell

2758
02:03:07,209 --> 02:03:04,850
show rubber Roswell teenage kids and

2759
02:03:10,810 --> 02:03:07,219
yeah yeah he's one of the guys behind

2760
02:03:12,970 --> 02:03:10,820
that show I helped inspire that well he

2761
02:03:15,220 --> 02:03:12,980
did you know he hosted so many of your

2762
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:15,230
shows but I haven't I haven't heard

2763
02:03:21,670 --> 02:03:17,770
name and and he had such great hair

2764
02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:21,680
that's Jonathan Jonathan was my one of

2765
02:03:27,820 --> 02:03:24,770
my most favorite collaborators in the

2766
02:03:31,060 --> 02:03:27,830
business he came through in a big way we

2767
02:03:33,610 --> 02:03:31,070
did some very tough shows in 2000 UFOs

2768
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:33,620
caught on tape number two preceded by

2769
02:03:37,300 --> 02:03:35,840
ghosts caught on tape fact or fiction on

2770
02:03:41,580 --> 02:03:37,310
Fox it was the kibbeh at night on Fox

2771
02:03:45,130 --> 02:03:41,590
that night and what's funny is that

2772
02:03:46,060 --> 02:03:45,140
Jonathan was instrumental in helping us

2773
02:03:50,380 --> 02:03:46,070
get through that because we had a

2774
02:03:52,330 --> 02:03:50,390
tear-off adduction you know deadlines we

2775
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:52,340
were given the job of doing two specials

2776
02:03:57,370 --> 02:03:54,560
in like four and a half weeks strongly

2777
02:03:58,750 --> 02:03:57,380
from scratch we were all so tired by the

2778
02:04:00,160 --> 02:03:58,760
time we were at the end where we you

2779
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:00,170
know the vo sessions the voice-over

2780
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:02,450
sessions you know and Jonathan just

2781
02:04:06,460 --> 02:04:04,310
really hit it out of the park the last

2782
02:04:07,630 --> 02:04:06,470
couple of nights and really helped and I

2783
02:04:09,580 --> 02:04:07,640
always wanted to thank him personally

2784
02:04:12,610 --> 02:04:09,590
more than I could because I was sleeping

2785
02:04:14,380 --> 02:04:12,620
I guess by the time he was finishing I

2786
02:04:19,390 --> 02:04:14,390
was somewhere in my apartment sleeping

2787
02:04:23,380 --> 02:04:19,400
but anyway now when you finally got the

2788
02:04:25,870 --> 02:04:23,390
area 51 UFO tape you actually got to

2789
02:04:27,580 --> 02:04:25,880
interview the pilot which we're not

2790
02:04:31,180 --> 02:04:27,590
gonna reveal here now everybody can

2791
02:04:32,710 --> 02:04:31,190
relax about that but as you talk to him

2792
02:04:38,190 --> 02:04:32,720
you got all of his credentials

2793
02:04:42,850 --> 02:04:38,200
everything lined up how did his

2794
02:04:45,220 --> 02:04:42,860
recounting of the event hit you he said

2795
02:04:48,490 --> 02:04:45,230
it so well that we used it a couple

2796
02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:48,500
times in the show the comment he said he

2797
02:04:54,790 --> 02:04:51,710
says basically the government could

2798
02:04:57,550 --> 02:04:54,800
admit UFOs a here they've been here

2799
02:05:03,010 --> 02:04:57,560
there's they've always been here and the

2800
02:05:09,580 --> 02:05:03,020
tape just confirms it the the other

2801
02:05:12,070 --> 02:05:09,590
parts of s4 in area 51 about you know

2802
02:05:13,870 --> 02:05:12,080
the j-rod videos and and all of the

2803
02:05:15,850 --> 02:05:13,880
other stuff that came out of very 51 of

2804
02:05:17,650 --> 02:05:15,860
course you know Bob Lazar and him coming

2805
02:05:20,979 --> 02:05:17,660
forward what do you think is actually

2806
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:20,989
going on out at area 51 boy I'll tell ya

2807
02:05:24,729 --> 02:05:22,610
I think George Knapp will be the first

2808
02:05:27,790 --> 02:05:24,739
one to amenity told me it when it was

2809
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:27,800
happening he felt that the whatever was

2810
02:05:31,629 --> 02:05:28,610
going on

2811
02:05:33,910 --> 02:05:31,639
51 was moved because if it was very

2812
02:05:36,609 --> 02:05:33,920
serious and secretive and involving UFOs

2813
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:36,619
or aliens or anything like that it had

2814
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:39,050
become way too popular it had become

2815
02:05:42,459 --> 02:05:40,639
known as it's like almost like tourist

2816
02:05:45,970 --> 02:05:42,469
attraction where people would willingly

2817
02:05:48,010 --> 02:05:45,980
go near the area 51 base and then get

2818
02:05:50,229 --> 02:05:48,020
hassled by the wagonette security team

2819
02:05:52,209 --> 02:05:50,239
it was almost like you know it was a

2820
02:05:54,879 --> 02:05:52,219
rite of passage you don't go to area 51

2821
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:54,889
get your camera out try to film what's

2822
02:05:58,300 --> 02:05:56,330
above them you know above the base and

2823
02:05:59,620 --> 02:05:58,310
then sure enough whacking that's gonna

2824
02:06:01,840 --> 02:05:59,630
come over they're gonna tell you to

2825
02:06:05,229 --> 02:06:01,850
leave or take your cameras so eventually

2826
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:05,239
it became sort of a meme and I think

2827
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:06,800
they moved whatever they were doing but

2828
02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:08,330
I will tell you there's some areas of

2829
02:06:14,350 --> 02:06:10,780
area 51 or right off of that section of

2830
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:14,360
real estate where some other really

2831
02:06:19,090 --> 02:06:17,090
weird things have happened Jimmy I don't

2832
02:06:20,530 --> 02:06:19,100
think we can get into it tonight but

2833
02:06:25,870 --> 02:06:20,540
apparently there's a story involving

2834
02:06:29,410 --> 02:06:25,880
what's called the tall whites and these

2835
02:06:33,070 --> 02:06:29,420
beings allegedly came and basically set

2836
02:06:35,290 --> 02:06:33,080
up shop not too far from area 51 and if

2837
02:06:37,930 --> 02:06:35,300
you could believe this there's some

2838
02:06:39,370 --> 02:06:37,940
interesting tie-ins to the anti critical

2839
02:06:42,660 --> 02:06:39,380
research that we've been referring to

2840
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:42,670
tonight and what maybe these beings

2841
02:06:48,340 --> 02:06:45,679
showed one guy that was outside that

2842
02:06:49,899 --> 02:06:48,350
area and if you could bring those two

2843
02:06:52,359 --> 02:06:49,909
issues together which I'm going to do in

2844
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:52,369
my show if I have my way I'm gonna show

2845
02:06:56,169 --> 02:06:53,570
that some of the theories about

2846
02:06:58,300 --> 02:06:56,179
anti-gravity cool propulsion seemed to

2847
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:58,310
match what these beings told this

2848
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:00,800
individual outside of area 51 and it

2849
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,330
could be a movie Jimmy if you really

2850
02:07:05,950 --> 02:07:04,639
understood the connection yeah I can't

2851
02:07:09,220 --> 02:07:05,960
get into it tonight because it would

2852
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:09,230
actually go against my NDA that I that I

2853
02:07:12,220 --> 02:07:10,850
have with the people behind me

2854
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:12,230
anti-gravity company I was telling you

2855
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:14,719
about with Joe but I think it is a

2856
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:16,730
fascinating fascinating connection in

2857
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:20,000
fact when I saw that connection I even

2858
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,770
more intrigued to want to stay closer to

2859
02:07:27,490 --> 02:07:24,320
you know Joe and Ron and really figure

2860
02:07:29,290 --> 02:07:27,500
out what's going on so as far as I can

2861
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,300
tell right now that story is for another

2862
02:07:32,979 --> 02:07:31,520
night but I will say this the story

2863
02:07:35,169 --> 02:07:32,989
about the tall White's even get even

2864
02:07:37,689 --> 02:07:35,179
more interesting when you go to Google

2865
02:07:39,970 --> 02:07:37,699
and you see some of the areas these

2866
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:39,980
beings allegedly had to have as they're

2867
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:40,530
kind of

2868
02:07:45,380 --> 02:07:42,690
worked out area and you find out that

2869
02:07:47,990 --> 02:07:45,390
there is flat areas around this place

2870
02:07:50,270 --> 02:07:48,000
not too far from area 51 where it looks

2871
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:50,280
like maybe the government set up little

2872
02:07:54,650 --> 02:07:52,560
camps for these beings to operate from

2873
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:54,660
and I want to get that Google stuff in

2874
02:07:57,890 --> 02:07:56,130
front of you maybe I mean for another

2875
02:07:59,720 --> 02:07:57,900
time I want you to see some of these

2876
02:08:02,750 --> 02:07:59,730
Google images from Earth from some space

2877
02:08:05,300 --> 02:08:02,760
it's a fascinating fascinating thing yes

2878
02:08:07,850 --> 02:08:05,310
now what about you personally have you

2879
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:07,860
witnessed anything strange in the skies

2880
02:08:14,420 --> 02:08:11,280
you know Jimmy I had two events in my

2881
02:08:16,100 --> 02:08:14,430
life that I believe helped inform my

2882
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:16,110
decision to stay with his crazy stuff

2883
02:08:19,460 --> 02:08:17,520
because it is hard to make a living

2884
02:08:22,010 --> 02:08:19,470
doing this stuff no matter what anybody

2885
02:08:25,340 --> 02:08:22,020
says I have put my family through a lot

2886
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:25,350
of tough things the women in my life I

2887
02:08:28,700 --> 02:08:27,090
have put them through a tough think it's

2888
02:08:31,070 --> 02:08:28,710
to try to make a living being in this

2889
02:08:33,740 --> 02:08:31,080
kind of journalist covering UFOs and

2890
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:33,750
phenomenology on network television is

2891
02:08:38,330 --> 02:08:35,730
like you know it's not your typical job

2892
02:08:39,530 --> 02:08:38,340
you know but there were two events first

2893
02:08:41,090 --> 02:08:39,540
of all when I was leaving the

2894
02:08:42,650 --> 02:08:41,100
advertising business and took a trip

2895
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:42,660
around the country to meet all the

2896
02:08:47,180 --> 02:08:45,330
experts that became dear if not dear

2897
02:08:51,170 --> 02:08:47,190
friends experts that helped me in my

2898
02:08:52,730 --> 02:08:51,180
work I went to Mount Shasta and I was

2899
02:08:54,170 --> 02:08:52,740
actually there one night at the base of

2900
02:08:56,630 --> 02:08:54,180
the mountain about five in the morning

2901
02:08:58,520 --> 02:08:56,640
before the Sun came up I had my nikon

2902
02:08:59,960 --> 02:08:58,530
camera living more like that print

2903
02:09:01,190 --> 02:08:59,970
journalist at that time I was thinking

2904
02:09:04,850 --> 02:09:01,200
more about print journalism at the time

2905
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:04,860
and I had my Nikon camera out and sure

2906
02:09:09,710 --> 02:09:08,370
enough I an orb and orb very similar to

2907
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:09,720
what the gentleman in Malibu was

2908
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:11,610
shooting right now his name is Chris by

2909
02:09:15,860 --> 02:09:13,920
the way what Chris is shooting in Malibu

2910
02:09:18,500 --> 02:09:15,870
looks a lot like what I saw at Mount

2911
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:18,510
Shasta a ball of light coming out of

2912
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:19,130
nowhere

2913
02:09:23,780 --> 02:09:21,930
floating ever silly over my car must

2914
02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:23,790
have been about maybe 200 400 feet above

2915
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:27,330
my car I watched this ball of light go

2916
02:09:32,330 --> 02:09:29,850
right into Mount Shasta I don't mean

2917
02:09:36,170 --> 02:09:32,340
over it I don't mean to the side of it

2918
02:09:40,700 --> 02:09:36,180
right into Mount Shasta that was it for

2919
02:09:44,270 --> 02:09:40,710
that and then years later I was stop

2920
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:44,280
stop stop stop stop right there yeah

2921
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:48,170
let's back the car up for a second how

2922
02:09:54,180 --> 02:09:51,570
okay three questions really quick what

2923
02:09:56,700 --> 02:09:54,190
year was this how big was it

2924
02:09:59,370 --> 02:09:56,710
and what color the ball of light was

2925
02:10:01,709 --> 02:09:59,380
like a bluish white almost like you see

2926
02:10:03,090 --> 02:10:01,719
in the video that was shot by my friend

2927
02:10:06,750 --> 02:10:03,100
my friend Chris down her mouth he became

2928
02:10:09,300 --> 02:10:06,760
my friend now I think it was probably

2929
02:10:12,810 --> 02:10:09,310
about the size I would say of a of a

2930
02:10:16,110 --> 02:10:12,820
small little car probably okay and it it

2931
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:16,120
just floated everson like an arc right

2932
02:10:19,950 --> 02:10:17,650
into the mountain in fact I had to rub

2933
02:10:21,780 --> 02:10:19,960
my eyes a couple of times because first

2934
02:10:23,100 --> 02:10:21,790
of all I got I got it inside my

2935
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:23,110
viewfinder in a Nikon

2936
02:10:27,090 --> 02:10:25,360
but it wasn't the light was beeping as

2937
02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:27,100
if it was gonna be a black blob anyway

2938
02:10:30,780 --> 02:10:28,690
so I didn't bother bother taking the

2939
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:30,790
picture but then I watched it go into

2940
02:10:34,530 --> 02:10:32,170
the mountain and my mind couldn't

2941
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:34,540
understand if it was a plane it would

2942
02:10:38,340 --> 02:10:36,880
have caused a crash I could I just

2943
02:10:40,110 --> 02:10:38,350
couldn't understand what I had seen but

2944
02:10:41,550 --> 02:10:40,120
I did check with some people in the area

2945
02:10:44,670 --> 02:10:41,560
that day next day and no one reported

2946
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:44,680
anything what it was to me like your

2947
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:49,510
classic ball UFO if you will oh by the

2948
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:51,250
way I did a show I was mentioned before

2949
02:10:55,860 --> 02:10:53,440
with Fox called ghosts caught on tape

2950
02:10:57,870 --> 02:10:55,870
and is where phenomenology gets kind of

2951
02:10:59,430 --> 02:10:57,880
weird the government is saying is I'm

2952
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:59,440
sure you've picked up and your listeners

2953
02:11:03,170 --> 02:11:01,360
have heard the government's trying to

2954
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:03,180
say through the CIA and other operatives

2955
02:11:11,310 --> 02:11:07,290
that all UFOs psychic power

2956
02:11:12,870 --> 02:11:11,320
ghosts pull the guys you name it they're

2957
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:12,880
all in the one category called

2958
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:15,850
phenomenology well I had Mitchell Keiko

2959
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:18,010
the former in a very not former the very

2960
02:11:23,310 --> 02:11:20,290
very you know well known now scientist

2961
02:11:25,740 --> 02:11:23,320
Asian scientist has become very prolific

2962
02:11:27,870 --> 02:11:25,750
on television in 2000 he was not

2963
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:27,880
well-known at all like that I had him

2964
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:29,410
come on from New York University and

2965
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:31,840
analyze a ball of light that was

2966
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:34,239
floating around st. Paulo Brazil it's

2967
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:35,770
one of the most intriguing videos I've

2968
02:11:39,630 --> 02:11:38,290
ever seen it could have been a UFO but

2969
02:11:41,310 --> 02:11:39,640
in our show we have it as a ghost

2970
02:11:44,670 --> 02:11:41,320
because people claimed it was a ghostly

2971
02:11:46,830 --> 02:11:44,680
orb flying around Saint Paulo Brazil but

2972
02:11:49,650 --> 02:11:46,840
I think my the UFO I saw in your Mount

2973
02:11:51,330 --> 02:11:49,660
Shasta looked a lot like that so the

2974
02:11:52,830 --> 02:11:51,340
ghost caught on tape show I'm actually

2975
02:11:54,479 --> 02:11:52,840
gonna get that show out there in the

2976
02:11:56,220 --> 02:11:54,489
digital platforms the next couple of

2977
02:11:58,040 --> 02:11:56,230
weeks I think people are gonna see that

2978
02:12:01,050 --> 02:11:58,050
show so it's called ghost caught on tape

2979
02:12:02,820 --> 02:12:01,060
factor fiction Jonathan Frakes narrates

2980
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:02,830
it and it's from that same time period

2981
02:12:07,129 --> 02:12:05,050
but anyway that was one event Jimmy that

2982
02:12:09,229 --> 02:12:07,139
was just one I had another one - yeah

2983
02:12:11,659 --> 02:12:09,239
the second one Oh Jonathan Frakes by the

2984
02:12:14,779 --> 02:12:11,669
way just directed the new Star Trek

2985
02:12:17,089 --> 02:12:14,789
Discovery oh great yeah so glad I'm

2986
02:12:19,819 --> 02:12:17,099
gonna go see that okay so anyway second

2987
02:12:23,089 --> 02:12:19,829
event alright the second event is pretty

2988
02:12:25,250 --> 02:12:23,099
serious my son and I my son now Jaron

2989
02:12:27,859 --> 02:12:25,260
he's 17 he's bigger than I am he's like

2990
02:12:30,799 --> 02:12:27,869
a big guy but he was a small kid back in

2991
02:12:32,719 --> 02:12:30,809
I guess 2005 or so I was living in

2992
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:32,729
Tarzana which is a very nice area near

2993
02:12:37,189 --> 02:12:34,800
Encino here I'm sure you know and uh

2994
02:12:38,359 --> 02:12:37,199
have a nice piece of property then so

2995
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:38,369
pretty much I'm in the backyard

2996
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:42,719
beautiful blue sky day you know nothing

2997
02:12:46,819 --> 02:12:44,610
about the day enjoying it with my son

2998
02:12:49,699 --> 02:12:46,829
we're out in the back and all of a

2999
02:12:53,839 --> 02:12:49,709
sudden I look up and he looks up and

3000
02:12:57,319 --> 02:12:53,849
what looks like to be a boulder imagine

3001
02:13:00,649 --> 02:12:57,329
a big rock is coming horizontally across

3002
02:13:02,359 --> 02:13:00,659
the sky right over our house you could

3003
02:13:04,969 --> 02:13:02,369
see it kind of tumbling but it was not

3004
02:13:06,649 --> 02:13:04,979
coming down it was close enough to us

3005
02:13:08,089 --> 02:13:06,659
and we could see edges of it it looked

3006
02:13:10,429 --> 02:13:08,099
like it looked like a meteor really

3007
02:13:13,279 --> 02:13:10,439
basically and it was leaving a trail

3008
02:13:14,989 --> 02:13:13,289
behind it like two weeks behind it on

3009
02:13:17,509 --> 02:13:14,999
each side of it leaving like like a

3010
02:13:20,689 --> 02:13:17,519
water skier might do in the water and

3011
02:13:23,719 --> 02:13:20,699
well don't forget a blue sky no clouds

3012
02:13:25,790 --> 02:13:23,729
nothing we see this rock tumbling but

3013
02:13:27,589 --> 02:13:25,800
it's not coming down it's staying very

3014
02:13:30,379 --> 02:13:27,599
very horizontal as it crosses our house

3015
02:13:32,029 --> 02:13:30,389
it seems to go very effortlessly toward

3016
02:13:34,580 --> 02:13:32,039
the mountains toward Malibu believe it

3017
02:13:35,750 --> 02:13:34,590
or not and as it starts to dissipate it

3018
02:13:38,689 --> 02:13:35,760
actually starts to kind of just

3019
02:13:40,699 --> 02:13:38,699
disappear as it disappears

3020
02:13:42,169 --> 02:13:40,709
my kid by the way John's going dad dad

3021
02:13:43,819 --> 02:13:42,179
is that an alien you know he doesn't

3022
02:13:45,679 --> 02:13:43,829
know what it is right but out of nowhere

3023
02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:45,689
in the same direction we're looking at

3024
02:13:53,270 --> 02:13:50,249
this thing a bright clear rectangle of

3025
02:13:55,149 --> 02:13:53,280
yellow light bright yellow imagine a

3026
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:55,159
rectangle look like almost like a a

3027
02:13:59,120 --> 02:13:57,360
piece you would have in a mahjongg game

3028
02:14:03,199 --> 02:13:59,130
years ago ever you know look like a

3029
02:14:05,689 --> 02:14:03,209
yellow a yellow rectangle it's it's

3030
02:14:08,239 --> 02:14:05,699
gigantic it must have been you know half

3031
02:14:11,870 --> 02:14:08,249
a mile you know in length and maybe a

3032
02:14:13,819 --> 02:14:11,880
quarter of a mile in in width and it's

3033
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:13,829
it's tracking back now the same

3034
02:14:17,929 --> 02:14:15,570
direction this thing just dissipated

3035
02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:17,939
from and it's literally copy in that

3036
02:14:21,140 --> 02:14:20,249
direction in Reverse and as we're

3037
02:14:23,780 --> 02:14:21,150
staring

3038
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:23,790
another rectangle appears right in front

3039
02:14:28,370 --> 02:14:25,650
of that one and the two start tracking

3040
02:14:31,220 --> 02:14:28,380
back together and just as we see that a

3041
02:14:32,510 --> 02:14:31,230
third one tracks with three now are

3042
02:14:35,270 --> 02:14:32,520
going in the same direction

3043
02:14:37,490 --> 02:14:35,280
nice and slow back the direction of

3044
02:14:40,850 --> 02:14:37,500
where this thing came from and then I

3045
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:40,860
start yelling to my wife at a time come

3046
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:42,690
down come down and as we're doing that

3047
02:14:46,910 --> 02:14:44,970
we turn to the house and we notice on

3048
02:14:49,790 --> 02:14:46,920
the other side of my house there's three

3049
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:49,800
more rectangles all moving together so

3050
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:51,810
we have six rectangles moving on both

3051
02:14:56,240 --> 02:14:54,330
sides of my house house in the same

3052
02:14:57,890 --> 02:14:56,250
direction this thing came from and then

3053
02:15:00,200 --> 02:14:57,900
just when we we don't know what the fake

3054
02:15:02,420 --> 02:15:00,210
we're freaking out all them they all the

3055
02:15:05,540 --> 02:15:02,430
lights whatever they are shut off like

3056
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:05,550
that so my understanding from what this

3057
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:09,810
was was some kind of an event that you

3058
02:15:13,820 --> 02:15:12,330
know we couldn't explain it and I asked

3059
02:15:17,210 --> 02:15:13,830
a lot of people from the area what they

3060
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,220
saw it was noon on a weekday nobody said

3061
02:15:22,130 --> 02:15:18,960
they saw anything there was no reports

3062
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:22,140
of any kind it seemed to be local to my

3063
02:15:27,380 --> 02:15:25,530
general region where my home was and to

3064
02:15:29,930 --> 02:15:27,390
this day the only evidence I have to

3065
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:29,940
show anybody is a video that I found

3066
02:15:36,230 --> 02:15:33,930
that was shot around 2000 a few years

3067
02:15:39,260 --> 02:15:36,240
before my event and it took place in an

3068
02:15:42,350 --> 02:15:39,270
area in Europe and it looks very similar

3069
02:15:45,170 --> 02:15:42,360
it's these rectangles forming one in

3070
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:45,180
front of the other over an ocean area in

3071
02:15:49,550 --> 02:15:47,010
Europe and I'll make that public

3072
02:15:51,950 --> 02:15:49,560
probably if I do this new series soon

3073
02:15:53,600 --> 02:15:51,960
I'm gonna make that video public and

3074
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:53,610
show people what happened and above my

3075
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:54,960
house is very similar to what this video

3076
02:16:06,710 --> 02:15:59,520
has boys I was in a Burbank this is

3077
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:06,720
probably it's 2018 so around 2010 2011

3078
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:10,530
and I just look up and I see something

3079
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:14,730
moving in the sky this is probably 2

3080
02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:16,410
o'clock in the afternoon same thing

3081
02:16:22,340 --> 02:16:19,490
right clear blue sky and I look up and

3082
02:16:27,110 --> 02:16:22,350
moving the opposite direction of yours

3083
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:27,120
this is going from south to north ok up

3084
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:30,210
towards the mountains up towards like

3085
02:16:36,889 --> 02:16:32,880
the Sylmar area right San Fernando

3086
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:36,899
hils whatever and but it's it's it's a

3087
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:40,080
tumbling it's like a meteor but it's

3088
02:16:46,009 --> 02:16:43,050
flying I don't even know how to explain

3089
02:16:47,950 --> 02:16:46,019
it and it was moving sideways right it

3090
02:16:50,810 --> 02:16:47,960
wasn't crashing into the earth it's just

3091
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:50,820
that sounds familiar right and I could

3092
02:16:57,139 --> 02:16:53,280
hear it I could hear it fizzling like

3093
02:17:00,620 --> 02:16:57,149
like crackling Wow right over my head

3094
02:17:03,070 --> 02:17:00,630
not high I could see everything and then

3095
02:17:07,520 --> 02:17:03,080
it looked like off of the back of it

3096
02:17:09,980 --> 02:17:07,530
remember those little snakes that you

3097
02:17:12,169 --> 02:17:09,990
could light on fire right and would

3098
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:12,179
crackle the little bunny hellas right

3099
02:17:18,169 --> 02:17:14,729
okay so the back of it was like that

3100
02:17:19,129 --> 02:17:18,179
right it was and and it just had this

3101
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:19,139
crazy

3102
02:17:24,310 --> 02:17:22,800
static trail of it looked like a snake

3103
02:17:27,020 --> 02:17:24,320
that you'd lit on fire

3104
02:17:28,459 --> 02:17:27,030
for those snake pellets I don't know how

3105
02:17:30,650 --> 02:17:28,469
to explain them I haven't seen them in

3106
02:17:33,860 --> 02:17:30,660
years but that's what it reminded me of

3107
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:33,870
and it just kept going and then it flew

3108
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:35,760
over the mountains and I thought to

3109
02:17:42,560 --> 02:17:39,290
myself that's I need to go chase that I

3110
02:17:45,169 --> 02:17:42,570
need to go and jump on the five get on

3111
02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:45,179
the 14 and see where that thing crashed

3112
02:17:51,290 --> 02:17:48,559
because it came down nothing in the news

3113
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:51,300
no repeat exactly it seems to happen a

3114
02:17:54,290 --> 02:17:53,040
lot and you know it's interesting the

3115
02:17:55,900 --> 02:17:54,300
more research you do into this

3116
02:17:57,770 --> 02:17:55,910
phenomenology thing that the

3117
02:18:00,320 --> 02:17:57,780
intelligence community seems to be

3118
02:18:03,259 --> 02:18:00,330
pointing at is that possibly these

3119
02:18:06,560 --> 02:18:03,269
events are geared toward the individuals

3120
02:18:09,169 --> 02:18:06,570
and the individuals are to experience

3121
02:18:10,879 --> 02:18:09,179
the event and then maybe share it with

3122
02:18:12,259 --> 02:18:10,889
the rest of us so I'm not quite sure

3123
02:18:14,810 --> 02:18:12,269
what to make of that but I know one

3124
02:18:17,419 --> 02:18:14,820
thing the evidence I got is from another

3125
02:18:20,179 --> 02:18:17,429
part of the world a little bit before

3126
02:18:22,070 --> 02:18:20,189
the date of mine but again I can point

3127
02:18:24,410 --> 02:18:22,080
to it and say with at with certainty

3128
02:18:26,509 --> 02:18:24,420
this is the kind of effect I witnessed

3129
02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:26,519
almost identically I don't have the

3130
02:18:30,410 --> 02:18:28,500
boulder if you will all the meteors you

3131
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:30,420
describe but it's that's a similar part

3132
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:32,399
of our stories very interesting yeah I

3133
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:34,649
want to ask I don't want this to get

3134
02:18:38,270 --> 02:18:36,240
away from me

3135
02:18:42,820 --> 02:18:38,280
I want to ask you about Ray Santilli

3136
02:18:47,290 --> 02:18:42,830
real quick ray

3137
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:47,300
such an enigma did do you think Rey felt

3138
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,160
any guilt Jimmy I gotta be honest with

3139
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:55,040
you I have heard all the stories about

3140
02:18:59,320 --> 02:18:57,200
the hoax we did a show called world's

3141
02:19:01,060 --> 02:18:59,330
greatest hoaxes for Fox and we included

3142
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:01,070
the alien autopsy because we felt that

3143
02:19:04,660 --> 02:19:02,960
there were signs clearly it was not real

3144
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:04,670
after three years of research we didn't

3145
02:19:09,370 --> 02:19:06,800
know that we aired the first few shows

3146
02:19:10,900 --> 02:19:09,380
we did not know that mm-hmm but no

3147
02:19:12,430 --> 02:19:10,910
matter what anybody says by the way we

3148
02:19:14,050 --> 02:19:12,440
did not know that it was a mystery to us

3149
02:19:15,820 --> 02:19:14,060
from day one now by the way I want to

3150
02:19:17,260 --> 02:19:15,830
throw this in just real quick we got a

3151
02:19:19,390 --> 02:19:17,270
call for the Department of Defense on

3152
02:19:20,110 --> 02:19:19,400
the alien autopsy and the DoD guy said

3153
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:20,120
flat-out

3154
02:19:24,730 --> 02:19:22,250
we don't know Bob we think it's a

3155
02:19:27,310 --> 02:19:24,740
mystery too I said really Sam his name

3156
02:19:29,290 --> 02:19:27,320
was Sam s we'll call him Sam s from the

3157
02:19:30,910 --> 02:19:29,300
Department of Defense said Bob tell you

3158
02:19:34,060 --> 02:19:30,920
people at Fox and you should know this

3159
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:34,070
too there was a fire and we lost most of

3160
02:19:37,870 --> 02:19:36,410
the Roswell evidence so you know what it

3161
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:37,880
could have easily been real for all we

3162
02:19:42,250 --> 02:19:40,010
know I went Sam thank you very much for

3163
02:19:44,970 --> 02:19:42,260
the mystery we appreciate that yeah but

3164
02:19:48,450 --> 02:19:44,980
then you talking about Santilli well I

3165
02:19:51,660 --> 02:19:48,460
have lived the process with ray I

3166
02:19:54,100 --> 02:19:51,670
witnessed him coming out with it I

3167
02:19:56,710 --> 02:19:54,110
witnessed him go public with it

3168
02:19:58,750 --> 02:19:56,720
I saw him try to convince people of

3169
02:20:01,780 --> 02:19:58,760
other things like this fake cameraman he

3170
02:20:03,900 --> 02:20:01,790
had right but I will say this I also

3171
02:20:07,380 --> 02:20:03,910
witnessed ray in the streets of London

3172
02:20:09,700 --> 02:20:07,390
very nervous seemingly being followed

3173
02:20:11,860 --> 02:20:09,710
was worried that he was leaking

3174
02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:11,870
something that maybe needed to be looked

3175
02:20:17,890 --> 02:20:13,250
at a little bit differently than we

3176
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:17,900
thought my suspicion is Jimmy that there

3177
02:20:25,210 --> 02:20:22,610
is a real film of autopsies and it maybe

3178
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:25,220
was something where ray got a little bit

3179
02:20:31,450 --> 02:20:28,010
of the idea to do this from someone else

3180
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:31,460
and there may well just be an experiment

3181
02:20:36,700 --> 02:20:34,250
called the alien autopsy to see what the

3182
02:20:37,900 --> 02:20:36,710
public would do if they were shown an

3183
02:20:40,450 --> 02:20:37,910
alien of this kind

3184
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:40,460
now look another fact seems to be very

3185
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:42,800
interesting to us my company when we

3186
02:20:46,810 --> 02:20:44,170
discovered who the alien autopsy

3187
02:20:49,150 --> 02:20:46,820
sculptor was the guy who built the alien

3188
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:49,160
that was being shown as a real alien in

3189
02:20:55,390 --> 02:20:53,690
2002 or 2003 or so we made a deal with

3190
02:20:56,260 --> 02:20:55,400
that individual his name is John

3191
02:21:01,899 --> 02:20:56,270
Humphries

3192
02:21:03,939 --> 02:21:01,909
else really helping him and he said that

3193
02:21:06,010 --> 02:21:03,949
he made it with the help of some images

3194
02:21:07,719 --> 02:21:06,020
given to him just some images and he

3195
02:21:08,649 --> 02:21:07,729
used those images to help create the

3196
02:21:11,649 --> 02:21:08,659
alien autopsy

3197
02:21:13,630 --> 02:21:11,659
well that matched the story that's until

3198
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,640
he came out later and said he had a

3199
02:21:18,969 --> 02:21:15,920
couple of frames that survived the

3200
02:21:21,010 --> 02:21:18,979
degradation process and so it sort of

3201
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:21,020
fit but now we have a guy that came out

3202
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,170
named spiritual heiress who claims he

3203
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:26,720
was behind it and John only worked for

3204
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:29,449
him it's a very messy story in some day

3205
02:21:33,189 --> 02:21:30,170
Jimmy

3206
02:21:35,380 --> 02:21:33,199
someday I'm still fairly huh someday I

3207
02:21:38,139 --> 02:21:35,390
want to do the definitive alien autopsy

3208
02:21:41,109 --> 02:21:38,149
movie let's say that is not a movie that

3209
02:21:44,139 --> 02:21:41,119
came out in England called alien autopsy

3210
02:21:48,340 --> 02:21:44,149
by two actors named Ant & Dec I'm sorry

3211
02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:48,350
that's not the story I mean I thought

3212
02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:52,850
that movie was was pretty good I felt I

3213
02:21:58,809 --> 02:21:56,090
felt like it was probably closer to the

3214
02:22:00,729 --> 02:21:58,819
truth than what Santilli was presenting

3215
02:22:04,240 --> 02:22:00,739
and doesn't seem tilly come out in the

3216
02:22:06,519 --> 02:22:04,250
end yeah whether you like the movie's

3217
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:06,529
premise or not there are two things that

3218
02:22:12,130 --> 02:22:08,090
make the movie intriguing for me and my

3219
02:22:16,689 --> 02:22:12,140
people we found it fascinating that they

3220
02:22:20,229 --> 02:22:16,699
introduced this kind of German or person

3221
02:22:21,880 --> 02:22:20,239
that was behind some of the story there

3222
02:22:24,450 --> 02:22:21,890
was a German involved behind the story

3223
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:24,460
and guess what his last name is what

3224
02:22:30,729 --> 02:22:28,640
Spielberg oh no remember the connection

3225
02:22:32,250 --> 02:22:30,739
when Omni called me and Steven

3226
02:22:35,109 --> 02:22:32,260
Spielberg's behind it mm-hmm

3227
02:22:37,090 --> 02:22:35,119
wasn't Steven Spielberg there was a guy

3228
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:37,100
named Volker Spielberg oh there you go

3229
02:22:41,050 --> 02:22:38,810
you want to look at the volca Spielberg

3230
02:22:44,380 --> 02:22:41,060
as we did for the show world's greatest

3231
02:22:45,609 --> 02:22:44,390
hoaxes on Fox there's a story there so

3232
02:22:47,519 --> 02:22:45,619
that was one interesting fact

3233
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:47,529
and then Santilli coming out the end

3234
02:22:52,269 --> 02:22:49,850
claiming that the story is that the film

3235
02:22:54,819 --> 02:22:52,279
degraded but he's still had a couple of

3236
02:22:56,859 --> 02:22:54,829
frames and they're somehow within the

3237
02:22:59,769 --> 02:22:56,869
original footage that we aired on Fox

3238
02:23:01,420 --> 02:22:59,779
that's unbelievable but you know what it

3239
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:01,430
keeps the story kind of going and ray

3240
02:23:04,660 --> 02:23:02,720
knows how to do that which is pretty

3241
02:23:07,359 --> 02:23:04,670
pretty interesting did you ever find out

3242
02:23:08,979 --> 02:23:07,369
which frames were allegedly real well

3243
02:23:10,001 --> 02:23:08,989
just the last couple of months we

3244
02:23:13,060 --> 02:23:10,011
started to look into

3245
02:23:15,841 --> 02:23:13,070
and there is one particular scene it

3246
02:23:18,551 --> 02:23:15,851
runs for about maybe 10-15 seconds and

3247
02:23:20,981 --> 02:23:18,561
it's where the doctors are taking out

3248
02:23:22,901 --> 02:23:20,991
some crystal it's a little gory for

3249
02:23:24,941 --> 02:23:22,911
those a little bit faint of heart it's a

3250
02:23:26,621 --> 02:23:24,951
little gory cuz the doctors working with

3251
02:23:28,421 --> 02:23:26,631
like the intestines or something what

3252
02:23:30,821 --> 02:23:28,431
the alien has whatever it might be

3253
02:23:33,491 --> 02:23:30,831
intestines I guess and then he's trying

3254
02:23:36,341 --> 02:23:33,501
to get this crystal out of the of the of

3255
02:23:38,020 --> 02:23:36,351
the of the of the flesh and and that is

3256
02:23:41,261 --> 02:23:38,030
according to san Tilly's latest a

3257
02:23:43,241 --> 02:23:41,271
documentary in TV i've heard that is the

3258
02:23:45,821 --> 02:23:43,251
scene he's pointing to as real and

3259
02:23:47,951 --> 02:23:45,831
what's really interesting we stared at

3260
02:23:51,581 --> 02:23:47,961
that sequence at my company years ago

3261
02:23:53,291 --> 02:23:51,591
for like two days Jimmy we thought that

3262
02:23:56,350 --> 02:23:53,301
sequence just looked a little different

3263
02:23:59,560 --> 02:23:56,360
you've got to take a look at it it's in

3264
02:24:02,321 --> 02:23:59,570
the uncut footage it's available and

3265
02:24:04,481 --> 02:24:02,331
I'll get your your producer to know

3266
02:24:06,850 --> 02:24:04,491
exactly how people can get it and if you

3267
02:24:08,140 --> 02:24:06,860
look at this you're gonna see the scene

3268
02:24:10,321 --> 02:24:08,150
and I gotta tell you even though

3269
02:24:12,071 --> 02:24:10,331
Santilli is filled with a lot of stories

3270
02:24:14,951 --> 02:24:12,081
there's a couple of things that just

3271
02:24:17,081 --> 02:24:14,961
make you go huh what's going on here so

3272
02:24:19,541 --> 02:24:17,091
yeah and by the way there was a film

3273
02:24:22,301 --> 02:24:19,551
shown to Disney people back in the 70s

3274
02:24:24,430 --> 02:24:22,311
I'm fairly confident based on the

3275
02:24:26,711 --> 02:24:24,440
research we've done that there was a

3276
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:26,721
film being bandied about at Disney that

3277
02:24:30,731 --> 02:24:28,610
looked a lot like this you know what the

3278
02:24:34,060 --> 02:24:30,741
difference is but Sir well there was an

3279
02:24:36,371 --> 02:24:34,070
alien lying on the floor in the video or

3280
02:24:38,770 --> 02:24:36,381
in the film and it was writhing like it

3281
02:24:41,381 --> 02:24:38,780
was in pain on the floor while there was

3282
02:24:43,091 --> 02:24:41,391
a dead one on the autopsy table now the

3283
02:24:45,131 --> 02:24:43,101
person who told us that story is a guy

3284
02:24:47,801 --> 02:24:45,141
named Michael Maloney and he was one of

3285
02:24:49,991 --> 02:24:47,811
the top photo photo photographers really

3286
02:24:51,761 --> 02:24:50,001
for the Queen of England and a lot of

3287
02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:51,771
famous people and he was brought to

3288
02:24:56,890 --> 02:24:54,650
Disney to deuce to a project and while

3289
02:24:58,571 --> 02:24:56,900
he was there he was told the story so we

3290
02:25:00,881 --> 02:24:58,581
did a show when the Ant & Dec movie was

3291
02:25:02,680 --> 02:25:00,891
coming out called alien autopsy we were

3292
02:25:04,961 --> 02:25:02,690
doing a documentary in expose for

3293
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:04,971
channel 5 in England and it was all set

3294
02:25:09,220 --> 02:25:06,650
to go into production we were already in

3295
02:25:12,850 --> 02:25:09,230
production and Santilli and his people

3296
02:25:15,041 --> 02:25:12,860
managed to get channel 5 to cancel my

3297
02:25:17,321 --> 02:25:15,051
documentary because they were worried

3298
02:25:19,301 --> 02:25:17,331
about lawsuits and everything else but

3299
02:25:21,011 --> 02:25:19,311
in that documentary we finally finished

3300
02:25:23,111 --> 02:25:21,021
it we aired it on some other networks

3301
02:25:23,559 --> 02:25:23,121
around the world but not in England

3302
02:25:25,899 --> 02:25:23,569
not

3303
02:25:28,329 --> 02:25:25,909
America and it's called alien autopsy

3304
02:25:29,859 --> 02:25:28,339
the true story France had it by the way

3305
02:25:32,290 --> 02:25:29,869
and the French people seem to like it a

3306
02:25:34,929 --> 02:25:32,300
lot and in that store in that show we

3307
02:25:36,670 --> 02:25:34,939
look at this Michael Maloney and we have

3308
02:25:39,670 --> 02:25:36,680
him interviewed and he tells the story

3309
02:25:41,529 --> 02:25:39,680
about this other film that was shown and

3310
02:25:45,099 --> 02:25:41,539
he says when he saw the alien autopsy I

3311
02:25:47,979 --> 02:25:45,109
aired on Fox he said when he saw that it

3312
02:25:51,399 --> 02:25:47,989
looked a lot like what he saw in 1970 so

3313
02:25:53,679 --> 02:25:51,409
when in 1977 or whatever but the

3314
02:25:55,960 --> 02:25:53,689
difference was he says the alien on the

3315
02:25:58,869 --> 02:25:55,970
table looks similar but in the VIP film

3316
02:26:00,670 --> 02:25:58,879
he saw I believe it was color the alien

3317
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:00,680
also there was also one of the floor

3318
02:26:07,210 --> 02:26:04,489
writhing in pain fascinating fascinating

3319
02:26:11,260 --> 02:26:07,220
and and then it goes back you you

3320
02:26:13,540 --> 02:26:11,270
brought up Bob X lured the you know the

3321
02:26:16,540 --> 02:26:13,550
Holloman Air Force Base film and he went

3322
02:26:19,599 --> 02:26:16,550
the same thing man he was all over the

3323
02:26:26,469 --> 02:26:19,609
United States secret locations that Bob

3324
02:26:28,420 --> 02:26:26,479
emmenecker mmm and Egger and you know

3325
02:26:33,279 --> 02:26:28,430
into the White House all through the

3326
02:26:35,849 --> 02:26:33,289
Pentagon and was always one who was

3327
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:35,859
always one step away from him one step

3328
02:26:40,659 --> 02:26:38,810
one amazing thing about this film he

3329
02:26:43,300 --> 02:26:40,669
made call UFOs past president of future

3330
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:43,310
listed by by Rod Serling one of my

3331
02:26:49,659 --> 02:26:46,810
favorite guys in the movie documentary

3332
02:26:53,260 --> 02:26:49,669
toward the end there appears to be about

3333
02:26:55,029 --> 02:26:53,270
8 seconds of film where a UFO is coming

3334
02:26:58,210 --> 02:26:55,039
down for a landing that's right it

3335
02:27:00,639 --> 02:26:58,220
emmenecker convict conveyed to me about

3336
02:27:02,949 --> 02:27:00,649
three months ago that he believed it

3337
02:27:06,719 --> 02:27:02,959
could very well be real the funny thing

3338
02:27:09,309 --> 02:27:06,729
jimmy is he didn't remember exactly the

3339
02:27:10,719 --> 02:27:09,319
the provenance and how that film kept

3340
02:27:12,819 --> 02:27:10,729
that piece of footage came into his

3341
02:27:14,109 --> 02:27:12,829
movie but i think that could be years

3342
02:27:17,290 --> 02:27:14,119
and a little bit of you know just

3343
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:17,300
forgetfulness i think i think in in many

3344
02:27:22,540 --> 02:27:19,850
ways that 8 seconds of film should be

3345
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:22,550
looked at and and studied heavily thank

3346
02:27:26,649 --> 02:27:24,560
you so much Bob fascinating conversation

3347
02:27:29,260 --> 02:27:26,659
tonight now look forward to having you

3348
02:27:30,819 --> 02:27:29,270
back on with us my pleasure Jimmy thanks

3349
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:30,829
a lot thank you Bob and have a great

3350
02:27:35,319 --> 02:27:33,439
safe and wonderful Thanksgiving you too

3351
02:27:37,389 --> 02:27:35,329
happy happy Thanksgiving to you and

3352
02:27:40,059 --> 02:27:37,399
yours thank you so much

3353
02:27:41,529 --> 02:27:40,069
Kibby it's a great conversation tonight

3354
02:27:44,050 --> 02:27:41,539
I got to take a quick break right here

3355
02:27:47,260 --> 02:27:44,060
this is fade to black I'm here Jimmy

3356
02:27:48,669 --> 02:27:47,270
church at che Church radio is Twitter

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all right I'm gonna take a quick break

3358
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and I'm gonna come back I'll open up the

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phone lines for the last segment here

3360
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before we head into tomorrow I'm girls

3361
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to be Church I'll be right back

3362
02:28:21,460 --> 02:27:59,360
stay with us

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3442
02:32:26,229 --> 02:32:03,050
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3443
02:32:30,420 --> 02:32:26,239
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3444
02:32:30,430 --> 02:32:45,041
[Music]

3445
02:32:49,301 --> 02:32:46,761
all right welcome back

3446
02:32:52,310 --> 02:32:49,311
fade to black I'm Neel shimmy Church

3447
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:52,320
Robert kitty it was a great conversation

3448
02:32:57,560 --> 02:32:56,130
right there and when you think about I'm

3449
02:32:59,720 --> 02:32:57,570
opening up the phone lines right now

3450
02:33:02,480 --> 02:32:59,730
three two three eight to five five zero

3451
02:33:05,690 --> 02:33:02,490
four or five or three to three to seven

3452
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:05,700
five nine six nine five or eight one

3453
02:33:13,910 --> 02:33:09,450
eight nine two one six nine to nine when

3454
02:33:18,910 --> 02:33:13,920
you speak to somebody like Robert that

3455
02:33:22,370 --> 02:33:18,920
has done going back alien autopsy right

3456
02:33:25,850 --> 02:33:22,380
office UFOs caught on tape one and two

3457
02:33:28,490 --> 02:33:25,860
all of the stuff that he has done over

3458
02:33:30,650 --> 02:33:28,500
the years and it's a it's a ginormous

3459
02:33:33,341 --> 02:33:30,660
amount of production work that he has

3460
02:33:37,671 --> 02:33:33,351
done you need to just stop and listen

3461
02:33:41,001 --> 02:33:37,681
the the individuals that he has been in

3462
02:33:43,011 --> 02:33:41,011
contact with and everything else when he

3463
02:33:45,470 --> 02:33:43,021
gets onto something he is going to

3464
02:33:47,870 --> 02:33:45,480
follow through and what is going on

3465
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:47,880
right now and I brought this up a few

3466
02:33:54,801 --> 02:33:51,840
times tonight all of the names that are

3467
02:33:58,461 --> 02:33:54,811
being bandied about right now have been

3468
02:34:00,711 --> 02:33:58,471
going around the UFO circles for years

3469
02:34:04,881 --> 02:34:00,721
years and years and here we are

3470
02:34:06,381 --> 02:34:04,891
it's like once again we're back into the

3471
02:34:08,480 --> 02:34:06,391
middle of it and the same names are

3472
02:34:11,870 --> 02:34:08,490
involved you know so we need to just

3473
02:34:15,921 --> 02:34:11,880
stop take a deep breath and and take a

3474
02:34:18,200 --> 02:34:15,931
good close look at what is going on you

3475
02:34:23,780 --> 02:34:18,210
know and it's it's very important I

3476
02:34:27,470 --> 02:34:23,790
don't know I don't know I just don't

3477
02:34:31,580 --> 02:34:27,480
know one of the things that he said out

3478
02:34:34,610 --> 02:34:31,590
of everything tonight that the next

3479
02:34:36,350 --> 02:34:34,620
piece of footage that that comes out and

3480
02:34:38,301 --> 02:34:36,360
the next piece of information that NIA

3481
02:34:39,860 --> 02:34:38,311
that comes on you know what there's got

3482
02:34:42,171 --> 02:34:39,870
to be some Providence here it's got to

3483
02:34:45,261 --> 02:34:42,181
be direct we need to hear from from the

3484
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:45,271
Pentagon directly on this no more of

3485
02:34:52,120 --> 02:34:48,960
this smoke screen stuff you know we just

3486
02:34:54,591 --> 02:34:52,130
can't deal with and he is exactly right

3487
02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:54,601
100% and that

3488
02:34:58,730 --> 02:34:56,730
that is where I am coming from on all of

3489
02:35:02,150 --> 02:34:58,740
this okay phone lines are now open three

3490
02:35:05,390 --> 02:35:02,160
two three eight two five five zero four

3491
02:35:07,491 --> 02:35:05,400
five or three two three two seven five

3492
02:35:10,100 --> 02:35:07,501
nine six nine five or eight one eight

3493
02:35:14,470 --> 02:35:10,110
nine two one six nine two nine and I

3494
02:35:17,631 --> 02:35:14,480
want to remind everybody that tomorrow

3495
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:17,641
nasca that's right there's a press

3496
02:35:23,421 --> 02:35:20,160
conference going down in Lima Peru and

3497
02:35:26,421 --> 02:35:23,431
we will have William Galison with us

3498
02:35:26,930 --> 02:35:26,431
tomorrow night live here on fade to

3499
02:35:28,581 --> 02:35:26,940
black

3500
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:28,591
all right let's go to the phones hi

3501
02:35:33,020 --> 02:35:29,730
you're live on fade to black who's

3502
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:33,030
calling how are you this evening mr.

3503
02:35:37,610 --> 02:35:34,410
Jimmy Church what are you doing Steve

3504
02:35:38,001 --> 02:35:37,620
how are you doing great brother doing

3505
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:38,011
great

3506
02:35:41,690 --> 02:35:40,110
get ready for the big turkey day coming

3507
02:35:43,881 --> 02:35:41,700
up yep coming up man

3508
02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:43,891
coming up coming up I now hope you're

3509
02:35:50,301 --> 02:35:48,570
ready I know you are I'm ready here you

3510
02:35:52,331 --> 02:35:50,311
go so what do you think about this

3511
02:35:55,251 --> 02:35:52,341
conversation tonight

3512
02:35:58,281 --> 02:35:55,261
very interesting Jimmy very interesting

3513
02:36:02,150 --> 02:35:58,291
we've got a lot of a lot of contacts and

3514
02:36:05,150 --> 02:36:02,160
a lot of information and wait when the

3515
02:36:07,011 --> 02:36:05,160
next round which I just mentioned a few

3516
02:36:09,230 --> 02:36:07,021
minutes ago and Bob brought this up

3517
02:36:12,501 --> 02:36:09,240
earlier tonight the next round of

3518
02:36:15,350 --> 02:36:12,511
information that gets floated from to

3519
02:36:17,230 --> 02:36:15,360
the stars it's got to have some teeth to

3520
02:36:24,411 --> 02:36:17,240
it this time around doesn't it

3521
02:36:29,211 --> 02:36:24,421
absolutely it's they they've just been

3522
02:36:33,831 --> 02:36:29,221
too weak and made too many mistakes on

3523
02:36:36,110 --> 02:36:33,841
their first few presentations that is if

3524
02:36:39,230 --> 02:36:36,120
nothing comes out with teeth like you

3525
02:36:43,310 --> 02:36:39,240
say I really think they're done for in

3526
02:36:46,371 --> 02:36:43,320
the in this community as far as any kind

3527
02:36:48,350 --> 02:36:46,381
of credibility do you think this is

3528
02:36:52,131 --> 02:36:48,360
another thing that Bob brought up that

3529
02:36:56,001 --> 02:36:52,141
this is just about money you know this

3530
02:36:58,881 --> 02:36:56,011
is black budgets and and people get a

3531
02:37:02,511 --> 02:36:58,891
hold of that budget money and they are

3532
02:37:04,610 --> 02:37:02,521
using it further for whatever but they

3533
02:37:06,321 --> 02:37:04,620
don't care about UFOs or they don't care

3534
02:37:07,360 --> 02:37:06,331
about this community it's about getting

3535
02:37:09,970 --> 02:37:07,370
to those

3536
02:37:12,970 --> 02:37:09,980
you know to the millions of dollars just

3537
02:37:16,030 --> 02:37:12,980
being freely given away you know from

3538
02:37:18,460 --> 02:37:16,040
the Pentagon as far as T TSA goes it's

3539
02:37:20,650 --> 02:37:18,470
nothing but anything more than just an

3540
02:37:22,810 --> 02:37:20,660
entertainment company and they're gonna

3541
02:37:25,540 --> 02:37:22,820
put out something probably on History

3542
02:37:29,230 --> 02:37:25,550
Channel or something on the networks or

3543
02:37:31,480 --> 02:37:29,240
they'll release a movie a couple more

3544
02:37:33,310 --> 02:37:31,490
books and another album but it's it's

3545
02:37:37,660 --> 02:37:33,320
just about entertainment dollars it's

3546
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:37,670
just an entertainment company that's all

3547
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:39,200
these you know that women that's all

3548
02:37:44,110 --> 02:37:41,090
that's just telling what you can

3549
02:37:46,930 --> 02:37:44,120
perceive it at this point is that their

3550
02:37:52,390 --> 02:37:46,940
only focus is for entertainment purposes

3551
02:37:58,350 --> 02:37:52,400
if they have no true willingness to

3552
02:38:02,320 --> 02:37:58,360
truly delve in and produce true evidence

3553
02:38:05,620 --> 02:38:02,330
of the UFO phenomena period that's it

3554
02:38:07,930 --> 02:38:05,630
yeah it would already be there that's

3555
02:38:09,640 --> 02:38:07,940
right they would have already have done

3556
02:38:11,350 --> 02:38:09,650
it yeah I couldn't agree with you more

3557
02:38:13,780 --> 02:38:11,360
Steve I couldn't agree with you more

3558
02:38:15,850 --> 02:38:13,790
well thank you for taking the time and

3559
02:38:19,660 --> 02:38:15,860
I'll see you tomorrow night on fader

3560
02:38:21,430 --> 02:38:19,670
night okay all right I don't want to say

3561
02:38:28,270 --> 02:38:21,440
Happy Thanksgiving yet I'll say it

3562
02:38:31,810 --> 02:38:28,280
tomorrow night thank you Steve

3563
02:38:33,640 --> 02:38:31,820
there's there's one point and I'll get

3564
02:38:34,091 --> 02:38:33,650
to the rest of the calls here in a

3565
02:38:38,220 --> 02:38:34,101
second

3566
02:38:43,780 --> 02:38:38,230
there's one point that I want to

3567
02:38:47,170 --> 02:38:43,790
emphasize and it's this one look what I

3568
02:38:51,880 --> 02:38:47,180
don't want to hear from anybody else

3569
02:38:53,650 --> 02:38:51,890
ever again is that you know what there's

3570
02:38:55,660 --> 02:38:53,660
a bigger picture here there's something

3571
02:38:57,730 --> 02:38:55,670
else going on you know don't worry about

3572
02:38:59,470 --> 02:38:57,740
that let's worry about this other thing

3573
02:39:02,980 --> 02:38:59,480
and more information you know what I

3574
02:39:07,980 --> 02:39:02,990
don't want to hear that all I want to

3575
02:39:12,250 --> 02:39:07,990
hear is the Pentagon in possession with

3576
02:39:16,210 --> 02:39:12,260
et material do they have a crash saucer

3577
02:39:19,240 --> 02:39:16,220
is there alien bodies that have been

3578
02:39:20,650 --> 02:39:19,250
recovered do you have are you in contact

3579
02:39:24,430 --> 02:39:20,660
with et any

3580
02:39:28,290 --> 02:39:24,440
else I just don't have time for I just

3581
02:39:30,190 --> 02:39:28,300
don't have time for it that I don't I

3582
02:39:33,400 --> 02:39:30,200
don't want to hear it

3583
02:39:34,841 --> 02:39:33,410
we've been down that road I just don't

3584
02:39:36,551 --> 02:39:34,851
want to hear it I don't we'll figure it

3585
02:39:40,270 --> 02:39:36,561
out on our own we don't need your help t

3586
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:40,280
TSA or anybody else either come forward

3587
02:39:46,030 --> 02:39:43,210
with the real stuff and that's it or

3588
02:39:47,620 --> 02:39:46,040
we're moving on I just I don't have time

3589
02:39:51,820 --> 02:39:47,630
for it I have the lost way too much

3590
02:39:53,801 --> 02:39:51,830
sleep but let's go to area code eight-30

3591
02:39:58,301 --> 02:39:53,811
you're up next I'm fade to black who's

3592
02:40:00,820 --> 02:39:58,311
calling hey Jimmy this is Neil rubbish

3593
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:00,830
oh the one that sees the invisible

3594
02:40:09,100 --> 02:40:05,120
dimension hi neo how are you I'm pretty

3595
02:40:14,190 --> 02:40:09,110
good a look there was a while back ago

3596
02:40:16,210 --> 02:40:14,200
last year I saw a big giant cigar shape

3597
02:40:18,940 --> 02:40:16,220
spaceship been moved in front of the

3598
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:18,950
moon and it started emitting this gas

3599
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:21,680
okay and then it was a clear night you

3600
02:40:26,410 --> 02:40:23,930
know notice you can see all the stars

3601
02:40:29,320 --> 02:40:26,420
and everything and it was like the moon

3602
02:40:32,110 --> 02:40:29,330
was over Los Angeles so I called the FBI

3603
02:40:35,051 --> 02:40:32,120
had told him about that missus you need

3604
02:40:37,631 --> 02:40:35,061
to call NASA cause it's uh just out of

3605
02:40:40,511 --> 02:40:37,641
space and the thing is he didn't realize

3606
02:40:45,400 --> 02:40:40,521
all that stuff that was fought the gas

3607
02:40:50,020 --> 02:40:45,410
was falling on top of Los Angeles - you

3608
02:40:58,540 --> 02:40:50,030
know I'm saying so did you call did you

3609
02:41:01,330 --> 02:40:58,550
call NASA I'm not your errand boy you

3610
02:41:04,780 --> 02:41:01,340
call him you call him it's hard to get

3611
02:41:06,820 --> 02:41:04,790
in touch with NASA and uh it's like I

3612
02:41:08,770 --> 02:41:06,830
was very angry because you know he

3613
02:41:11,350 --> 02:41:08,780
didn't realize and you could you could

3614
02:41:15,011 --> 02:41:11,360
tell the fear in his voice he believed

3615
02:41:20,170 --> 02:41:15,021
me he knew I wouldn't [\h__\h] hey grant

3616
02:41:23,020 --> 02:41:20,180
his bad language Neil on this show okay

3617
02:41:24,580 --> 02:41:23,030
but you know bull junking with with him

3618
02:41:28,210 --> 02:41:24,590
you know I wasn't you know he knew it

3619
02:41:30,400 --> 02:41:28,220
and the thing is I'm watching the stars

3620
02:41:33,640 --> 02:41:30,410
all the time I do feel research in

3621
02:41:34,840 --> 02:41:33,650
different places of the country and all

3622
02:41:37,210 --> 02:41:34,850
of like tonight

3623
02:41:38,889 --> 02:41:37,220
I wrote on Twitter I said I see I was

3624
02:41:41,800 --> 02:41:38,899
watching the stars tonight and all the

3625
02:41:45,820 --> 02:41:41,810
way boom where all these clouds come

3626
02:41:48,130 --> 02:41:45,830
from you know and they had some research

3627
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:48,140
on Twitter they said something about the

3628
02:41:54,929 --> 02:41:50,210
scientists could see this dust cloud

3629
02:41:58,240 --> 02:41:54,939
between the moon in earth you know

3630
02:42:00,580 --> 02:41:58,250
well if you got these big giant

3631
02:42:03,460 --> 02:42:00,590
spaceships putting out this gas like I

3632
02:42:05,019 --> 02:42:03,470
saw that one day but see I don't see it

3633
02:42:09,519 --> 02:42:05,029
when they do it to other times I just

3634
02:42:13,179 --> 02:42:09,529
happen to see it one time right but that

3635
02:42:17,410 --> 02:42:13,189
that's proof enough for me you know yeah

3636
02:42:19,660 --> 02:42:17,420
yeah very awesome very interesting but

3637
02:42:21,639 --> 02:42:19,670
see like he was talking a while ago you

3638
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:21,649
don't want to hear the same bull junk

3639
02:42:26,639 --> 02:42:23,930
all the time we you know I'm a new

3640
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:26,649
person that's trying to do disclosure

3641
02:42:32,260 --> 02:42:29,449
because it's safe now the government

3642
02:42:34,689 --> 02:42:32,270
starting to disclose about you know like

3643
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:34,699
to the stars they're starting to

3644
02:42:43,210 --> 02:42:39,439
disclose things he's saying yeah we got

3645
02:42:46,750 --> 02:42:43,220
alien technology and all this stuff you

3646
02:42:50,439 --> 02:42:46,760
know I'm saying I do but but the thing

3647
02:42:53,050 --> 02:42:50,449
is I want to get on your radio show and

3648
02:42:56,979 --> 02:42:53,060
be a host and there's a lot of things I

3649
02:43:01,120 --> 02:42:56,989
found out like them - alien carvings in

3650
02:43:03,849 --> 02:43:01,130
California they got a Jedi dude and you

3651
02:43:06,309 --> 02:43:03,859
could see it from five miles away and

3652
02:43:09,099 --> 02:43:06,319
he's a white Caucasian dude with a hood

3653
02:43:12,939 --> 02:43:09,109
on like the Jedi porn star wars right

3654
02:43:17,530 --> 02:43:12,949
it's carved on one mountain behind him

3655
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:17,540
is the alien carved up - and then the

3656
02:43:23,019 --> 02:43:22,010
one to the the left of me will be the

3657
02:43:25,599 --> 02:43:23,029
right of him

3658
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:25,609
it's a reptilian alien and I found a

3659
02:43:34,479 --> 02:43:30,409
picture of the reptilian one but the

3660
02:43:37,240 --> 02:43:34,489
alien that's behind human he's looking

3661
02:43:42,160 --> 02:43:37,250
at this alien like I got my eyes on you

3662
02:43:43,719 --> 02:43:42,170
and your evil kind of thing well I need

3663
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:43,729
to get some researchers to go take a

3664
02:43:48,790 --> 02:43:46,399
picture of it because everybody's going

3665
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:48,800
to say oh man you doctor

3666
02:43:53,461 --> 02:43:52,160
you know no it's fake where is it where

3667
02:43:57,610 --> 02:43:53,471
is it

3668
02:44:00,220 --> 02:43:57,620
it's in the mountains in California it's

3669
02:44:04,421 --> 02:44:00,230
around I can't tell you where it's at

3670
02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:04,431
because when we go take the photograph I

3671
02:44:09,580 --> 02:44:06,650
don't want nobody going over there

3672
02:44:12,700 --> 02:44:09,590
because they might have hidden tunnels

3673
02:44:14,650 --> 02:44:12,710
underground you know because when I was

3674
02:44:16,990 --> 02:44:14,660
over there I was researching engineering

3675
02:44:19,961 --> 02:44:17,000
too you could see these big piles of

3676
02:44:21,881 --> 02:44:19,971
dirt around these big giant mountains

3677
02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:21,891
like someone was digging out the

3678
02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:23,840
mountain and they just put it in a big

3679
02:44:29,921 --> 02:44:27,050
pile these rolling hills ok is it down

3680
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:29,931
near Los Angeles is it up north where is

3681
02:44:41,290 --> 02:44:36,160
it how did you find a way well I do feel

3682
02:44:43,690 --> 02:44:41,300
I'm a field researcher right I go out in

3683
02:44:46,330 --> 02:44:43,700
the field just like I saw the stuff in

3684
02:44:47,980 --> 02:44:46,340
Arizona with the dinosaur tracks in the

3685
02:44:50,051 --> 02:44:47,990
mud was turning stone they got a

3686
02:44:52,390 --> 02:44:50,061
meteorite blew up right real close to

3687
02:44:54,990 --> 02:44:52,400
there the Petrified Forest is there

3688
02:44:57,280 --> 02:44:55,000
that's another proof thing I could do to

3689
02:44:59,110 --> 02:44:57,290
dinosaurs are laying on the ground they

3690
02:45:01,150 --> 02:44:59,120
were turning the stone in the mud and

3691
02:45:03,970 --> 02:45:01,160
half of its like vaporized you can only

3692
02:45:06,850 --> 02:45:03,980
see the bones and then the mud the feces

3693
02:45:09,220 --> 02:45:06,860
is turned into stone - well I'm looking

3694
02:45:11,921 --> 02:45:09,230
around and I could see these giant faces

3695
02:45:15,700 --> 02:45:11,931
they're turning the stone and these

3696
02:45:18,131 --> 02:45:15,710
giant humans are gigantic they're bigger

3697
02:45:20,350 --> 02:45:18,141
than dinosaurs well everybody's got

3698
02:45:24,341 --> 02:45:20,360
everybody believing that over just

3699
02:45:27,850 --> 02:45:24,351
20,000 years old that's a bull that's

3700
02:45:30,461 --> 02:45:27,860
bull junk you know I'm saying I got the

3701
02:45:32,620 --> 02:45:30,471
proof I found it I'd love to do a

3702
02:45:37,660 --> 02:45:32,630
documentary probably for your show would

3703
02:45:39,761 --> 02:45:37,670
be great you know like uh above majestic

3704
02:45:42,910 --> 02:45:39,771
did but I don't know what kind of proof

3705
02:45:48,030 --> 02:45:42,920
they showed oh you know showed but I got

3706
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:48,040
some good proof in it's brand-new and I

3707
02:45:54,640 --> 02:45:50,570
had to reveal I've been doing this

3708
02:45:58,511 --> 02:45:54,650
research for 13 years you know the third

3709
02:46:02,200 --> 02:45:58,521
eye thing to remote viewing I would -

3710
02:46:08,740 --> 02:46:02,210
that'd be I and I don't look you have

3711
02:46:13,030 --> 02:46:08,750
I think we lost Neal he was there now

3712
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:13,040
he's gone oh really that's unfortunate

3713
02:46:18,600 --> 02:46:15,200
sorry about that Neal well it's not me

3714
02:46:22,420 --> 02:46:18,610
it was Neal he was there he was gone

3715
02:46:26,830 --> 02:46:22,430
Neal if you can hear me what you need to

3716
02:46:29,020 --> 02:46:26,840
do is you should do put together a

3717
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:29,030
series of YouTube videos man it's so

3718
02:46:32,920 --> 02:46:31,130
easy to do man just go out and you don't

3719
02:46:37,050 --> 02:46:32,930
even need a camera these days you've got

3720
02:46:39,820 --> 02:46:37,060
your cell phones and iPhones and and

3721
02:46:41,740 --> 02:46:39,830
Samsung so they they shoot great video

3722
02:46:46,590 --> 02:46:41,750
man you should just go out go on these

3723
02:46:50,440 --> 02:46:46,600
locations and and start shooting it's uh

3724
02:46:52,450 --> 02:46:50,450
this Jedi guy I'm just wondering where

3725
02:46:54,910 --> 02:46:52,460
this is you need to go and shoot it and

3726
02:46:55,870 --> 02:46:54,920
just pop a video out there get it get it

3727
02:46:58,450 --> 02:46:55,880
documented

3728
02:47:04,660 --> 02:46:58,460
I would suggest that to anybody these

3729
02:47:07,360 --> 02:47:04,670
days and I realize that everybody is

3730
02:47:09,880 --> 02:47:07,370
understanding this more and more but you

3731
02:47:12,520 --> 02:47:09,890
really need to listen to me you don't

3732
02:47:14,440 --> 02:47:12,530
need a movie company you don't need a

3733
02:47:16,510 --> 02:47:14,450
record company you don't need a network

3734
02:47:18,969 --> 02:47:16,520
you don't need a TV set you don't need

3735
02:47:21,730 --> 02:47:18,979
anybody behind you if you have good

3736
02:47:25,240 --> 02:47:21,740
material if you have something you need

3737
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:25,250
to research go and shoot it put the

3738
02:47:29,860 --> 02:47:27,050
video together get it up there on

3739
02:47:31,390 --> 02:47:29,870
YouTube free distribution and you can

3740
02:47:32,980 --> 02:47:31,400
get your information out there and

3741
02:47:35,140 --> 02:47:32,990
everybody can see it

3742
02:47:38,410 --> 02:47:35,150
and everybody can judge it and everybody

3743
02:47:40,840 --> 02:47:38,420
can comment on it it is the easiest

3744
02:47:43,800 --> 02:47:40,850
thing to do today it has never been like

3745
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:43,810
this ever in the history of this planet

3746
02:47:52,060 --> 02:47:49,520
and if I would back when I was trying to

3747
02:47:54,850 --> 02:47:52,070
get a band off of the ground we're

3748
02:47:59,110 --> 02:47:54,860
getting an idea out whatever can you

3749
02:48:02,140 --> 02:47:59,120
imagine you know I mean it was so

3750
02:48:05,050 --> 02:48:02,150
difficult getting getting money together

3751
02:48:06,969 --> 02:48:05,060
trying to get into a recording studio to

3752
02:48:09,100 --> 02:48:06,979
get a demo together to take that to a

3753
02:48:11,770 --> 02:48:09,110
record company and to get some anti

3754
02:48:14,349 --> 02:48:11,780
gather and then to take that it's not

3755
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:14,359
that kind of party anymore man

3756
02:48:21,340 --> 02:48:18,800
is the best time if you if you it's it's

3757
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:21,350
so simple if you if you're a comedy

3758
02:48:27,189 --> 02:48:23,600
writer and you want to put together a TV

3759
02:48:31,210 --> 02:48:27,199
show go and shoot it [\h__\h] man put it up

3760
02:48:33,309 --> 02:48:31,220
on YouTube it's done and if it's good

3761
02:48:36,010 --> 02:48:33,319
you can actually make a living from it

3762
02:48:39,239 --> 02:48:36,020
you know if your material is good it

3763
02:48:41,949 --> 02:48:39,249
doesn't matter what it is so if you if

3764
02:48:46,330 --> 02:48:41,959
if you want to research ancient history

3765
02:48:49,689 --> 02:48:46,340
or UFOs or any kind of phenomena or

3766
02:48:52,510 --> 02:48:49,699
ghost or retro and shoot it go and shoot

3767
02:48:56,500 --> 02:48:52,520
it and get it done you can go and and

3768
02:49:00,219 --> 02:48:56,510
and get millions of views more so than

3769
02:49:04,659 --> 02:49:00,229
even if you had a TV show and it was out

3770
02:49:14,109 --> 02:49:04,669
there there are if and if you doubt me

3771
02:49:17,340 --> 02:49:14,119
on any given night CNN Fox MSNBC 500,000

3772
02:49:20,229 --> 02:49:17,350
viewers right on any night of the week

3773
02:49:23,229 --> 02:49:20,239
these YouTube videos that are out there

3774
02:49:25,119 --> 02:49:23,239
that are copying in a day a hundred

3775
02:49:28,479 --> 02:49:25,129
thousand views 200 thousand views a

3776
02:49:30,760 --> 02:49:28,489
million in a week right two million in a

3777
02:49:33,399 --> 02:49:30,770
month you've got more people watching

3778
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:33,409
your stuff than any of the network's

3779
02:49:38,889 --> 02:49:35,930
there's too much material out there now

3780
02:49:42,340 --> 02:49:38,899
you know it's not three TV stations

3781
02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:42,350
you've got Netflix with eight gazillion

3782
02:49:47,769 --> 02:49:45,289
Amazon Prime with a gazillion and Hulu

3783
02:49:50,380 --> 02:49:47,779
and it's it's on and on and on and on

3784
02:49:52,239 --> 02:49:50,390
and on everybody is out there watching

3785
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:52,249
their own stuff they they're not forced

3786
02:49:59,889 --> 02:49:55,010
into watching History Channel or

3787
02:50:02,170 --> 02:49:59,899
watching sci-fi or ABC NBC CBS FOX it's

3788
02:50:04,869 --> 02:50:02,180
not that kind of party anymore it's not

3789
02:50:07,359 --> 02:50:04,879
people are going to youtube and all of

3790
02:50:10,210 --> 02:50:07,369
these a la carte situations to go and

3791
02:50:12,449 --> 02:50:10,220
watch their stuff so if you've got good

3792
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:12,459
material go out there and shoot it

3793
02:50:17,469 --> 02:50:15,289
that's all you got to do so Neil if

3794
02:50:20,229 --> 02:50:17,479
you're listening to me go been

3795
02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:20,239
researching this for 13 years go get

3796
02:50:24,909 --> 02:50:21,770
your stuff together and put together

3797
02:50:26,559 --> 02:50:24,919
your your videos and and and get a post

3798
02:50:27,551 --> 02:50:26,569
it up on youtube you don't need fade to

3799
02:50:29,621 --> 02:50:27,561
by you don't need any

3800
02:50:32,381 --> 02:50:29,631
you only need yourself and there's

3801
02:50:33,701 --> 02:50:32,391
something else about this whether you're

3802
02:50:38,251 --> 02:50:33,711
talking about fade to black or anything

3803
02:50:42,341 --> 02:50:38,261
else the only person you can depend on

3804
02:50:45,850 --> 02:50:42,351
is you that's it

3805
02:50:47,860 --> 02:50:45,860
that's it and and all of the material

3806
02:50:49,930 --> 02:50:47,870
that you want to upload it's all

3807
02:50:52,001 --> 02:50:49,940
dependent on you you don't have to worry

3808
02:50:54,701 --> 02:50:52,011
about anybody else telling you that it's

3809
02:50:56,831 --> 02:50:54,711
right somebody else is telling you that

3810
02:51:00,551 --> 02:50:56,841
it's wrong you're on the wrong path no

3811
02:51:03,701 --> 02:51:00,561
do your thing and if it's good if it's

3812
02:51:06,791 --> 02:51:03,711
good people are going to react to it and

3813
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:06,801
that's it that's really the bottom line

3814
02:51:12,241 --> 02:51:11,120
now I want to swing this over really

3815
02:51:14,801 --> 02:51:12,251
quick

3816
02:51:19,001 --> 02:51:14,811
the Nazca mummies are back in the news

3817
02:51:22,031 --> 02:51:19,011
and today everybody started getting

3818
02:51:24,430 --> 02:51:22,041
together down in Lima Peru they went

3819
02:51:29,100 --> 02:51:24,440
through a bunch of preliminary material

3820
02:51:31,810 --> 02:51:29,110
today tomorrow starting at 9:00 a.m. is

3821
02:51:35,730 --> 02:51:31,820
the press conference that is going to

3822
02:51:38,140 --> 02:51:35,740
kick off now we are talking about

3823
02:51:43,440 --> 02:51:38,150
respected professionals we're talking

3824
02:51:47,860 --> 02:51:43,450
about archaeologists scientists and

3825
02:51:51,430 --> 02:51:47,870
researchers that have been on this for a

3826
02:51:55,511 --> 02:51:51,440
few years now the DNA testing everything

3827
02:51:57,761 --> 02:51:55,521
has been compiled and tomorrow they're

3828
02:52:02,591 --> 02:51:57,771
making this presentation also tomorrow

3829
02:52:08,551 --> 02:52:02,601
now check this out they want to have a

3830
02:52:12,551 --> 02:52:08,561
statue in Lima of Moorea The Mummy

3831
02:52:16,301 --> 02:52:12,561
that's right and that is gonna get voted

3832
02:52:20,140 --> 02:52:16,311
on tomorrow by Congress in Lima their

3833
02:52:22,720 --> 02:52:20,150
Congress think about that now the

3834
02:52:25,241 --> 02:52:22,730
results of everything that is going to

3835
02:52:28,900 --> 02:52:25,251
be presented tomorrow the press is going

3836
02:52:30,970 --> 02:52:28,910
to be there the government is as part of

3837
02:52:32,591 --> 02:52:30,980
this as well and all of the researchers

3838
02:52:36,911 --> 02:52:32,601
are going to be doing this all day long

3839
02:52:39,461 --> 02:52:36,921
tomorrow so how the press is going to

3840
02:52:41,260 --> 02:52:39,471
deal with it what the information is all

3841
02:52:43,559 --> 02:52:41,270
the scientific analysis

3842
02:52:45,999 --> 02:52:43,569
this is what is going to happen tomorrow

3843
02:52:48,489 --> 02:52:46,009
where are we going to be at the end of

3844
02:52:51,849 --> 02:52:48,499
tomorrow with with all of this I don't

3845
02:52:54,639 --> 02:52:51,859
know but I will have William Galison on

3846
02:52:57,609 --> 02:52:54,649
writer and journalist who is down there

3847
02:52:59,800 --> 02:52:57,619
right now in Lima and I'm gonna have him

3848
02:53:02,499 --> 02:52:59,810
on the show tomorrow night I may have a

3849
02:53:04,869 --> 02:53:02,509
special guest or two along with them

3850
02:53:06,609 --> 02:53:04,879
William to talk about the information

3851
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:06,619
that is going to be presented and

3852
02:53:14,130 --> 02:53:11,600
brought forward again this has been I

3853
02:53:16,659 --> 02:53:14,140
can't remember the first time that I

3854
02:53:19,119 --> 02:53:16,669
reported on the nazca mummies but I'm

3855
02:53:26,199 --> 02:53:19,129
gonna say it was a year and a half ago I

3856
02:53:28,239 --> 02:53:26,209
do know that last when the videos hit

3857
02:53:32,920 --> 02:53:28,249
I'm gonna say that that was last

3858
02:53:36,449 --> 02:53:32,930
November December here on fade to black

3859
02:53:41,050 --> 02:53:36,459
and coast to coast and that was also

3860
02:53:45,189 --> 02:53:41,060
with Jay Widener now where has all of

3861
02:53:47,019 --> 02:53:45,199
this ended up today okay the DNA

3862
02:53:49,689 --> 02:53:47,029
research and everything coming out of

3863
02:53:51,849 --> 02:53:49,699
Gaia I don't have any information on

3864
02:53:55,329 --> 02:53:51,859
that this is separate and this is

3865
02:53:57,399 --> 02:53:55,339
happening in Lima with the people that

3866
02:53:59,219 --> 02:53:57,409
have been digging and the researchers

3867
02:54:01,359 --> 02:53:59,229
archaeologists and anthropologists

3868
02:54:03,609 --> 02:54:01,369
paleontologists that have been doing all

3869
02:54:06,849 --> 02:54:03,619
of this down in Lima this is what is

3870
02:54:09,029 --> 02:54:06,859
going to happen tomorrow I'm very

3871
02:54:13,149 --> 02:54:09,039
excited about this and then we get to go

3872
02:54:14,949 --> 02:54:13,159
from that and that will be from 7:30

3873
02:54:17,229 --> 02:54:14,959
until 8:00 o'clock tomorrow night live

3874
02:54:20,319 --> 02:54:17,239
from Lima and then we will go straight

3875
02:54:23,380 --> 02:54:20,329
into open lines tomorrow and I hear on

3876
02:54:27,819 --> 02:54:23,390
fade to black very exciting times and

3877
02:54:31,449 --> 02:54:27,829
how all of this on fade to black over

3878
02:54:36,699 --> 02:54:31,459
the last year when we consider the Nazca

3879
02:54:39,489 --> 02:54:36,709
mummies tts a disclosure and all of the

3880
02:54:41,889 --> 02:54:39,499
other things that have gone down with us

3881
02:54:45,069 --> 02:54:41,899
up at ESET II with the Night Watch is

3882
02:54:47,559 --> 02:54:45,079
that we have done at going back two

3883
02:54:50,679 --> 02:54:47,569
years three years that contact in the

3884
02:54:53,860 --> 02:54:50,689
desert all of this is starting to come

3885
02:54:57,040 --> 02:54:53,870
to a head and I can't think

3886
02:54:58,810 --> 02:54:57,050
another time in all of youth ology I was

3887
02:55:02,261 --> 02:54:58,820
talking to Bob about this earlier that

3888
02:55:04,390 --> 02:55:02,271
it has ever been like this it just

3889
02:55:06,490 --> 02:55:04,400
hasn't happened and you've been here

3890
02:55:09,551 --> 02:55:06,500
with this along for the ride I want to

3891
02:55:12,761 --> 02:55:09,561
thank all of you for that this is

3892
02:55:15,070 --> 02:55:12,771
Thanksgiving week this is a very special

3893
02:55:19,091 --> 02:55:15,080
time to spend with with friends and

3894
02:55:21,551 --> 02:55:19,101
family and and to reflect and be

3895
02:55:23,591 --> 02:55:21,561
thankful for I am thankful for this

3896
02:55:26,341 --> 02:55:23,601
audience I'm thankful for my family

3897
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:26,351
and being able to do this and kgr a

3898
02:55:30,490 --> 02:55:28,970
every single night of the week and then

3899
02:55:32,500 --> 02:55:30,500
when I'm not here I'm over it coast to

3900
02:55:35,170 --> 02:55:32,510
coast and I want to thank all of you for

3901
02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:35,180
that you know it has been an amazing

3902
02:55:40,390 --> 02:55:37,610
weekend and everything of this past

3903
02:55:42,610 --> 02:55:40,400
weekend getting everything set up for

3904
02:55:45,460 --> 02:55:42,620
tonight and knowing that we are heading

3905
02:55:47,830 --> 02:55:45,470
into the holiday season here

3906
02:55:50,440 --> 02:55:47,840
not only fade to black but with my

3907
02:55:51,880 --> 02:55:50,450
family okay so I want to thank everybody

3908
02:55:54,640 --> 02:55:51,890
tomorrow night it's going to be a very

3909
02:55:58,330 --> 02:55:54,650
very special night and for you to spend

3910
02:56:00,700 --> 02:55:58,340
your time each night with us here and

3911
02:56:02,500 --> 02:56:00,710
especially through the holidays with us

3912
02:56:06,310 --> 02:56:02,510
here a fade to black it means so much

3913
02:56:09,690 --> 02:56:06,320
and I am thankful every single day with

3914
02:56:12,580 --> 02:56:09,700
that I'm gonna get out of here

3915
02:56:16,660 --> 02:56:12,590
do I want to disclose this I'm gonna do

3916
02:56:18,841 --> 02:56:16,670
a little bit of disclosure so and this

3917
02:56:21,250 --> 02:56:18,851
is why I can't wait to get out of here

3918
02:56:24,070 --> 02:56:21,260
over the weekend Drita and I went to

3919
02:56:26,230 --> 02:56:24,080
Steak and Shake yeah we went to Steak

3920
02:56:27,490 --> 02:56:26,240
and Shake and we loves taking shake so

3921
02:56:30,220 --> 02:56:27,500
we got a Steak and Shake and we brought

3922
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:30,230
it home and Rita had chili three ways

3923
02:56:35,830 --> 02:56:33,530
right and she goes you know what this is

3924
02:56:39,460 --> 02:56:35,840
like the most amazing thing ever

3925
02:56:43,511 --> 02:56:39,470
I'm gonna make my own version I'm gonna

3926
02:56:46,480 --> 02:56:43,521
do this and so after I sign off tonight

3927
02:56:49,091 --> 02:56:46,490
in about 30 seconds I'm gonna shut the

3928
02:56:52,540 --> 02:56:49,101
studio down and I'm gonna go home and

3929
02:56:55,720 --> 02:56:52,550
I'm going to have chili threeways Rita's

3930
02:56:57,730 --> 02:56:55,730
style at the house and life doesn't get

3931
02:57:00,280 --> 02:56:57,740
any better than that

3932
02:57:02,261 --> 02:57:00,290
so that is it I am gonna sign off

3933
02:57:04,750 --> 02:57:02,271
tomorrow night is another Fator night

3934
02:57:05,920 --> 02:57:04,760
Theresa and Aris is spending her time

3935
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:05,930
with

3936
02:57:11,059 --> 02:57:08,880
friends and family and so tomorrow night

3937
02:57:12,920 --> 02:57:11,069
we're gonna do the lima special report

3938
02:57:15,260 --> 02:57:12,930
with that this is fade to black

3939
02:57:18,200 --> 02:57:15,270
I am your host Jimmy Church it's gonna

3940
02:57:19,570 --> 02:57:18,210
be a great week here just I'm thankful

3941
02:57:22,280 --> 02:57:19,580
for everything

3942
02:57:25,309 --> 02:57:22,290
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3943
02:57:28,510 --> 02:57:25,319
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3944
02:57:31,070 --> 02:57:28,520
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3945
02:57:34,309 --> 02:57:31,080
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3946
02:57:37,519 --> 02:57:34,319
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3947
02:57:40,700 --> 02:57:37,529
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3948
02:57:42,730 --> 02:57:40,710
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3949
02:57:47,389 --> 02:57:42,740
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3950
02:57:49,490 --> 02:57:47,399
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3951
02:57:52,429 --> 02:57:49,500
you to Robert Kinion tonight great

3952
02:57:54,559 --> 02:57:52,439
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3953
02:57:55,580 --> 02:57:54,569
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3954
02:57:57,920 --> 02:57:55,590
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3955
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:57,930
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3956
02:58:02,000 --> 02:57:59,600
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3957
02:58:03,889 --> 02:58:02,010
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3958
02:58:06,290 --> 02:58:03,899
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3959
02:58:09,139 --> 02:58:06,300
know Jimmy Church follow me on twitter

3960
02:58:12,860 --> 02:58:09,149
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3961
02:58:15,770 --> 02:58:12,870
Fator night everybody be saved Gobekli

3962
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